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Date:      Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:35:49 -0800
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
To:        Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com>
Cc:        cvs-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/vkbd vkbd.c vkbd_var.h src/sys/modules/vkbd Makefile
Message-ID:  <20041116183549.GB11906@odin.ac.hmc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <bb4a86c70411161028698cbae2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:28:37AM -0800, Maksim Yevmenkin wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:09:05 -0800, Brooks Davis
> <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:00:24AM -0800, Maksim Yevmenkin wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:43:58 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp
> > > <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:
> > > > In message <bb4a86c7041116093262758595@mail.gmail.com>, Maksim Yevm=
enkin writes
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:56 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp
> > > > ><phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:
> > > > >> In message <200411161659.iAGGxNiX087329@repoman.freebsd.org>, Ma=
ksim Yevmenkin
> > > > >> writes:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >emax        2004-11-16 16:59:23 UTC
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >  FreeBSD src repository
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >  Added files:
> > > > >> >    sys/dev/vkbd         vkbd.c vkbd_var.h
> > > > >> >    sys/modules/vkbd     Makefile
> > > > >> >  Log:
> > > > >> >  Add virtual AT keyboard driver vkbd(4).
> > > > >> >  Not yet connected to the build.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I thought we had one of those already ?
> > > > >
> > > > >when? where? did i miss it?
> > > >
> > > > sys/dev/kbd (and various MD stuff all over the place) ?
> > >
> > > perhaps i'm missing something here. the idea behind vkdb(4) is to
> > > create a keyboard without a keyboard. that is to create a keyboard
> > > that accepts scan codes from userspace and not from real hardware.
> > > that is what vkbd(4) does. it creates a new keyboard (just like
> > > ukbd(4) etc) and register it with kbd(4). basically what i want to do
> > > is to obtain scan codes from bluetooth keyboard and then feed them
> > > into the kernel. the idea is that bluetooth hid daemon looks for the
> > > bluetooth keyboard, connects to it, switches active keyboard to
> > > vkbd(4) , reads scan codes and feeds them into vkbd(4). when bluetooth
> > > keyboard is gone the bluetooth hid daemon switches back to wired
> > > keyboard. i do not think i can do it with kdb(4), can i?
> >=20
> > Have you considered making the virtual keyboard an in kernel client of
> > it's child keyboard(s)?  If you don't do this, you can't use the virtual
> > keyboard in single user mode or in the debugger.
>=20
> vkbd(4) man page says that it will not work with ddb(4) :) and (at
> this point) i'm not sure whether this is required. in case of
> bluetooth hid all scan codes have to passed through bluetooth stack. i
> definitely do not want to use bluetooth keyboard in ddb(4) or in
> single user mode :)

It's not require for bluetooth, but its is a requirement for USB.  There
are actually two parts to this.  You need to be able to function without
a daemon as in single user mode or sysinstall.  You also need to be able
to work in the polling mode the debugger uses.

> i think i see where you are going. you are probably thinking about
> some sort of lights-out management where you use only network
> connection to control box remotely, a-la pc-weasel and eric cards. am
> i close?

I'm primairly intrested in solving the problem of machines with a AT
keyboard controller (which currently attached non-existant keyboards to
allow hot-pluging) and a USB keyboard.  The second case I'm intrested
in is a LOM card.  In one case I've seen one present the keyboard as a
USB keyboard which means you need to support two USB keyboards.

-- Brooks

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