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Date:      Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:12:00 -0800
From:      "David Shanes" <dshanes@personalogic.com>
To:        "Sue Blake" <sue@welearn.com.au>, "Brandon Lockhart" <brandon@engulf.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list.
Message-ID:  <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com>

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You sure type fast..... You got all of that in between my e-mail checks
every 3 minutes!

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>
To: Brandon Lockhart <brandon@engulf.com>
Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list.


>On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:41:36PM -0500, Brandon Lockhart wrote:
>
>>   I understand Linux like the back of my hand, but when I
>> switched over to FreeBSD, I felt like a beginner again.  The FreeBSD
users
>> you will find, tend to be the more experienced users.  Yea, Linux is fun,
>> but I feel FreeBSD is more stable.  Better sources for support.
>
>I like the FreeBSD support better. There's less of it, but you know what
>kind of people it's coming from. We're lucky to have them all hanging out
in
>freebsd-questions so that there's one place to go for reliable answers.
With
>Linux, I always had to ask six different people and take the average of
>their responses. My computer didn't always understand these averages, and
>then it was back to all six of them again.
>
>> Now, about my opinion on this list.  There would be no FreeBSD chat
>> between newbies if there where no questions.
>
>If everyone believed that we wouldn't be here in the first place. Some of
us
>spend most of our time helping ourselves and want to talk to real peers
>about it. It's OK to be humble and talk to an expert every now and then,
but
>if every single thing I do with freebsd is done in "help-me-Sir!" mode,
I'll
>get bored pretty quickly. Sure, I need a lot of help, but most of the time
I
>don't. Then I'm interested in what I _can_do_ , what others can do already,
>and sharing ideas about how to find out more rather than being told how to
>do everything.
>
>Do newbies have any existence, any interests, apart from those times when
>they are asking someone more experienced for help? Those who do will find
>likeminded souls here and still have the opportunity to use the regular
list
>when they need support. Those who don't will be much happier restricting
>themselves to freebsd-questions instead of using both. We don't all have to
>like the same things.
>
>
>> I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general.  Not just for
>> chat, but questions also.
>
>But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story.
>
>> I mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those
>> things.  If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions.
>
>Now that's an excellent topic for this list!
>
>Most of us need help to understand the manuals (not just help to use the
>software) as well as help to write sensible questions for the other list.
>Some of us can't even find the right manuals or other resources. Once we
>work out what manuals we're using, what problems we're having with them,
and
>how we can learn from what each other has done with them, we'll be in a
very
>good position to have a say in how the manuals are written. Why? Because
the
>people writing them want to know how they are being used and what
>improvements can be made. It's a lot of work to get manuals right. One
>newbie's idea of what makes sense is not enough to give good guidance.
>And once we newbies find out what we _can_ do with the manuals it'll become
>clearer what it is that we can't do with them the way they are now.
>
>Here's an example. The same day I installed I read up on how to build a new
>kernel, using the handbook and FAQ together. I followed the instructions,
>and voila! New kernel! No worries! Nervewracking, but it worked well.
Months
>later I was still trying to figure out how to do simple things like install
>ports.
>
>Does this mean that the kernel rebuilding stuff is very well written for a
>newbie? I doubt it very much. It was perfectly written for me when I knew
>nothing. Has anyone else tried following these instructions? Did it work or
>not? Can you follow it all except for one sentence somewhere? Can another
>newbie explain how they dealt with that sentence, or point to another
>document that makes it clear? Throwing these questions around can help
>everyone, in ways that how-to answers aren't meant to.
>
>
>
>--
>
>Regards,
>        -*Sue*-
>
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>
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