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Date:      Thu, 12 Feb 2015 04:49:33 +0000
From:      Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jia-Shiun Li <jiashiun@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default
Message-ID:  <20150212044933.GK1302@hub.FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAHNYxxO7TYPYNeM6xL4W1P9iVDxccKrVT9MmS=dwgL7kVViuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:18PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Glen Barber <gjb@freebsd.org> wrote:
>=20
> > The major benefit is that all debugging data that we need to properly
> > debug application crashes in the base system will be available
> > out-of-box.
> >
> > There is a trade-off here, in both directions.  For arm, for example,
> > the trade-off is that the default installed userland would grow, however
> > when there is a PR regarding an application crash, the tools to diagnose
> > the issue are there by default (we do not need to ask that the utility
> > is rebuilt with debugging options enabled, and then recreate the crash).
> >
> > I considered making this an opt-in thing for arm, but given the above
> > rationale, thought it would be more beneficial for the opposite route.
> > If you feel necessary, however, we can turn this off by default for now
> > for arm.
> >
>=20
> Is this default value supposed to go to future releases or only kept in
>  -current for development & debugging purpose?
>=20

I would like to see it enabled by default for 11.0-RELEASE.

> For releases and resource-critical platforms, it'd be nice to build them =
all
> at once but only populate when needed after installation.
>=20

Yes, this would be the case for those tracking the releng/ branch in
SVN.

Glen


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