Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: Roop Nanuwa <roop@gw.carpoolbc.com> To: Chris Wasser <cwasser@v-wave.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The real Unix problem Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011261531480.48793-100000@gw.carpoolbc.com> In-Reply-To: <20001126022223.A5769@skunkworks.area51-arpa.mil>
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I don't have anything important to add, but Chris' message On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Chris Wasser wrote: > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote: > > You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why > > not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really > > effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so > > childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating > > system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and > > for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by > > the Windows congolomorate. > > Learn about something before you install it, bro. > > To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather > unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to > read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of > skipping over it based on header :) > > Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost > everyone who has replied to this thread: > > Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard" > for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such > software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS > or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the > lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time > nor the inclination to learn. > > All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use". > > Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows > itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate > the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep > seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet > some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such > as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's > no place to click to install this or that) > > The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very > distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely > find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the > "dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel. > > I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's > received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out > there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used > Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured > in MHz. > > The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft > who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make > computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us > DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly > in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the > same mould and thus produces users who end up getting > frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in > which they were "educated" into. > > The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side > of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence > who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back > with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to > suggest help in a more helpful manner. > > I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't > need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us > were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went > about learning and asking questions in a much more > acceptable manner. > > The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD > (anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition > to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals > here people, yes? > > </ramble> > > My 2 cents... > Chris Wasser > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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