Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:59:15 +0100 From: Pav Lucistnik <pav@FreeBSD.org> To: Andrew Pantyukhin <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd ports <freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org>, Rene Ladan <r.c.ladan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Ports management tools in the base (Was: Re: cvs commit: www/en/projects/ideas ideas.xml) Message-ID: <1174474755.32542.24.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> In-Reply-To: <cb5206420703210355s577f2d3ek3e3057916105a95f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200703181638.l2IGcoaj003204@repoman.freebsd.org> <20070319125101.4lb7lljt5w4cwog8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1174308178.15322.13.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> <45FF29E4.4060305@FreeBSD.org> <46004202.5040603@gmail.com> <20070320214735.0d55a1cb@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <4600647D.2040305@FreeBSD.org> <20070321083401.7x3vh4rb4wgs0wcw@webmail.leidinger.net> <cb5206420703210131j9600668v3750be8780814cf0@mail.gmail.com> <1174472619.32542.14.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> <cb5206420703210355s577f2d3ek3e3057916105a95f@mail.gmail.com>
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Andrew Pantyukhin p=ED=B9e v st 21. 03. 2007 v 13:55 +0300:
> On 3/21/07, Pav Lucistnik <pav@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > Andrew Pantyukhin p=ED=B9e v st 21. 03. 2007 v 11:31 +0300:
> > > On 3/21/07, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net> wrote:
> > > > When you need a program which needs a newer lib than installed on a
> > > > production system, but you don't get a maintenance window to update
> > > > all other programs which use this lib, then not having the old lib
> > > > will hurt.
> > > >
> > > > When the reason for the library version bump also requires to chang=
e
> > > > some parts in the source of the programs which make use of the lib,
> > > > you have to update all programs at once. If some programs have bugs=
in
> > > > more recent versions which you can't accept in production and when =
you
> > > > need to install a program which needs the new lib version, you are
> > > > busted when you don't have the old lib around.
> > >
> > > But don't you smell an architectural flaw here (of the
> > > ports system) and don't you feel that working around it
> > > in a tool in the base system might only mess things up
> > > even more?..
> >
> > No I don't see a systematic flaw here. Or you suggest we reset all
> > shmajors everywhere to zero?
>=20
> I would suggest that multiple versions of any port
> should be allowed to be installed simultaneously -
> and without the burden of introducing versioned
> ports.
How would that work? I'm curious.
> I do not volunteer just yet to propose an outline
> of a solution to make that possible, but workarounds
> have a tendency to be tolerated in the long run once
> introduced into the base system. objformat tool is a
> nice example of such a workaround.
Let's say I prefer a working system now than neatly designed system in
2014.
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Pav Lucistnik <pav@oook.cz>
<pav@FreeBSD.org>
... the obese drugged penguin used by Linux.
-- Scott Long
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