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Date:      Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:56:33 -0500 (CDT)
From:      mhughes@logroad.bridge.com (Michael Hughes)
To:        darrylo@sr.hp.com
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why use tape for backups? (was: backup method reccommendation?)
Message-ID:  <199910111456.JAA08459@logroad.bridge.com>
In-Reply-To: <199910111449.HAA09498@mina.sr.hp.com> from "Darryl Okahata" at Oct 11, 1999 07:49:00 AM

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  I use tape backup at home.  I found a Exabyte tape drive for $15 and
tape for jsut the asking.  I have about 25 tapes that I cycle thru.  I
use a script that I wrote that keeps track of the tapes and it tells me
the right tape to use for the backup.  I just can see spending the 
money for a drive to backup me data.  Plus like you said, off site
backups are a little hard when using a hard drive.  To each his own.

Darryl Okahata said in email to me:
> 
> Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Oct 1999, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> >n
> > > Is there any reasons tapes are a better choice?
> > 
> > In summary, if you really care about your data, hard drives are likely a
> > more expensive option.  Anyway, who wants to end up with only one machine
> > anyway. ;-)
> 
>      Everything you've said is very true for a commercial enviroment,
> but there's much to said for using a drive as an home backup device.
> 
>      I'm using an IDE drive on a *separate* system as a backup device.
> I just use "dump ... | gzip -9 | rsh ..." to do backups.  Advantages:
> 
> * It's cheaper than a *good*, high-capacity tape drive.   US$230 for a
>   5400 RPM 27GB IDE drive is a very good price point.
> 
>   [ 5400RPM is good, because (1) you don't need the speed of a 7200RPM
>     drive for backups, and (2) 5400RPM drives run cooler.  "Cooler is
>     better", because cooler drives tend to last longer, and because you
>     may have fewer cooling problems if you ever decide to put the IDE
>     drive into a cartridge module for drive swapping. ]
> 
>   For simple home use, a couple of "dump 0"s and a few incrementals are
>   enough.  However, if your home backup requirements need more than
>   this, then backing up to hard disks is probably not for you.
> 
> * It can be as fast as a *good*, high-capacity tape drive.  Even with
>   'gzip -9', I'm getting around 490KB/sec; I recently backed up 8145292K
>   in 16605sec.  If I was smart, and used lower compression, I could get
>   higher throughput (but I'd be limited by my 10BT network).  If I used a 
>   100BT LAN and was smart about compression, my backup system would
>   probably be faster than a low-end DLT system.
> 
> * You don't have to play tape swapping games to backup your system.
>   Most (all?), under US$500 (new) DAT drives have an uncompressed
>   capacity of 4GB or less, which is much smaller than an inexpensive IDE 
>   drive.  Yes, Travan-based drives are cheaper and hold more, but I'm
>   not sure I trust Travan drives.
> 
> * You can turn off the "backup system" to swap drives.  I haven't done
>   this, but it wouldn't be difficult to make the IDE drive swappable.
>   IDE drive modules for swapping are widely available (the non-hot-
>   swappable ones, at least) and are inexpensive.  Swapping drives
>   becomes easier if you have a separate drive for root (you might even
>   be able to use picobsd for that).
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 
> * If your backup drive crashes, you're screwed.  In my case, I care
>   about the data on my main system, and, if the backup drive dies, I
>   just replace it and redo the backups (and pray that none of the disks
>   in my main system crashes in the meantime ;-).  I've also thought
>   about using one of the "no-slot" IDE mirroring solutions (RAID 1) from
>   http://www.arcoide.com, but I don't know if it's really worth it *for
>   me*.
> 
> * If you use your backup system for version control ("help, I need the
>   version of xxx.c that existed on April 1!"), you're probably screwed.
>   You can't keep too many backups on an hard drive.
> 
> * Off-site backups can be difficult.  If your house burns down, you're
>   really screwed.  ;-(
> 
> Still, for "simple home use", an hard disk backup device is often "good
> enough".  I would defintely not use or recommend it for commercial or
> business purposes, though.
> 
> --
> 	Darryl Okahata
> 	darrylo@sr.hp.com
> 
> DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
> constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
> little green men that have been following him all day.
> 
> 
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