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Date:      Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:51:21 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>
Cc:        olli hauer <ohauer@gmx.de>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: New Boot Loader Menu
Message-ID:  <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com>
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote:

> =85Re-adding the list=85
>=20
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote:
>=20
>> ...
>>=20
>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" =
on-screen is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that =
some keyboards may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but =
indeed "Delete" is worse because the implied connotation associated with =
the "Delete" key (_someone_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" =
will purge the menu from memory).
>>>=20
>>> I will play with keycodes.
>>>=20
>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad =
suggestion (read why below).
>>>=20
>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather =
unfortunately -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", =
"up-arrow", "down-arrow", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", =
"F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", =
"F14", "F15", or "F16").
>>>=20
>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them =
instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those =
keys are pressed).
>>>=20
>>=20
>> ...
>>=20
>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry?
>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms =
(intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...)
>>=20
>> Anyway nice work :)
>>=20
>=20
> By golly, I think olli is on to something here!
>=20
> What does everybody think about space?
>=20
> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by =
anything else).

space usually doesn't mean backup to most users.  It usually means go =
forward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and =
therefore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect.

Warner




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