Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:09:04 -0400 From: "Dale E. Chulhan" <dchulhan@uwi.tt> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: [Tech|Posting] windows debate Message-ID: <3860CD70.904330AD@uwi.tt>
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-------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <abortignore@yahoo.com> Received: from enggate.uwi.tt (bsd.eng.uwi.tt [192.168.20.191])by ldc.eng.uwi.tt (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA19490for <dchulhan@uwi.tt>; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:56:07 +0400 (GMT) Received: (qmail 67405 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1999 13:00:57 -0000 Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.203)by enggate.uwi.tt with SMTP; 22 Dec 1999 13:00:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1646 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 1999 13:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222130223.1645.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.94.210.70] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:02:23 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Kryptonite Hero <abortignore@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tech|Posting] windows debate To: "Dale E. Chulhan" <dchulhan@uwi.tt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-846930886-945867743=:1406" Okay, there are may truths mentioned here. Even though Jon may have vented his opinion on facts that most know (and misconstrued historical events whcih I will not get into now) , M$ will be around for a long time and not a passing nuisance. It is rumoured B_Gates has a picture of Henry Ford on this desk, facing him, which he mediates on every day. Not because Ford too also took something he did not invent -a particular product and became industry leader for a while by excellent operational marketing processes BUT because Ford was LEADER FOR A WHILE. Bill Gates SWORE Microsoft will not lose it dominance like Ford Motors did to become a company in limbo. He has entrenched "MS Technology" and continue to do. Half the stuff M$ does is for long term survival. The Board estiimates their fortunes are safe for the next 5 years. Plans must be put in place for the next 20. Also, MS has led. B_Gates are buying the pioneers of MS around the world to move technology on the wings of MS. These are people who were there before MS (makers of PDP, Multics, IBM experts, British theorists back in von Neumann dayz etc). Mandate: We know you hate MS technology. Well, here is a 1 million and stock options. Do something about it. But use Win32 to do it. Result: MS has influenced interface design in conjuction with MIT Media Labs, expanded on distributed components, showed that a variety of other technoogy can be incorporated and can work (sometimes) and of course OLE now ActiveX. Difference: Netscape, Corel, Sun, Oracle write ELEGANT, WORKING code. M$ creates new ideas which the others follow and adopt ANYHOW my humble contribution Kerry "Dale E. Chulhan" <dchulhan@uwi.tt> wrote: If you have any idea who Jonathon McKitrick is you will save or print this message and value it for the rest of your lives ======= Only a couple;) On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > >I'm having a debate with my brother-in-law over microsoft's business >tactics and bill gates. He argues that gates is a genius for getting PCs >in the hands of average people, not just computer geeks. He argues that Gate's "genius" is only the stupidity and arrogance of IBM (along with the arrogance of Digital Research.) As near as I can recall, the only thing M$ created was a version of Basic. Everything else, he bought. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) >gates was brilliant for his marketing tactics that locked people into >windows, and that he gave people what they wanted: easy-to-use Gates was brutal in his tactics -- not brilliant. He bought the brilliance, as well. Everything that constitutes windows was "borrowed" from someone else and butchered into the twisted mess that is "Windows." >computers. He argues that there may be better OSes out there, but that >gates just had the wherewithall to market it correctly and make it cheap That much, I think is true. Thanks to the sweetheart deal with IBM. Although I would hardly call it "cheap" anymore;) I would, though, ask why he's more interested in marketing skill than reality. >enough and easy enough for the average person to use. He agrees that That isn't true. He rode in on IBM's coattails. If IBM hadn't been what they were -- and still are, Gates would have had no credibilty at all. It's a testimony, which Gates correctly read, to the gullibility of the average consumer. Gates has shown all the street skills of the average pimp. He just applied it to a different whore. >crashes are no fun, and agrees that M$ may be a monopoly, but thinks that >gates did good for consumers, not bad, and that M$ singlehandedly brought Sure, Gates did a good job. He brought poor, misapplied technology to millions who never knew they needed or wanted such a misapplication of good ideas and still can't figure out how to apply it. He sold the "emporor's new clothes." It never ceases to amaze me that, normally rational people who wouldn't accept such a shoddy product in real life, are willing to accept such shoddy performance simply because they've been convinced that a) it's normal in "high tech", b) it's the only way the average individual can be modern and c) the only way they can be compatible. Ask your brother-in-law why he didn't buy a Ford (or Chevy or Dodge -- what ever he didn't buy.) Why should there be a different standard for software? How would he feel if the only car he could drive was a ? >the computer industry to the cutting edge of the eceonomy and brought the >US to its economic growth it enjoys right now. Any thoughts? Gates didn't bring us anywhere. The consumer and their choices brought us where we are. That will change, as it has in the past. Gates was the first individual who understood how to punch the consumer's hot button with "high tech." As more vendors learn how to punch the same button and more consumers get tired of the M$ crap, more will look for alternatives. Of course, more will also look for less complicated means of convenience -- which is the future of the current trend. Right now, _every_ vendor out there seems to be in mortal combat trying to get their idea of the "best" way into the minds of the consumer. Better ideas than M$ existed in the past, and the still do today. The redeeming grace is that M$ is suffering the same hubris as IBM and as did Digital Research. Mr. Gates hasn't been humble enough to learn that lesson. I suspect M$ will suffer the same fate in the near future. I predict that M$ is only a temporary annoyance;) If your brother-in-law wants to cast his lot with a company that is practicing what, in the past, has proven a losing proposition, the best he can hope for is relearning another new world and an endless chase of "compatibility." And, no, I don't think any form of Unix will be the answer, though, I think Unix, of some form will last the longest of any. This is only my opinion. Take it for whatever it may be worth. -- Jay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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