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Date:      Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:40:05 -0700
From:      Deepwell Internet <freebsd@deepwell.com>
To:        Ryan Mooney <ryan@pcslink.com>
Cc:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Apache users file (was Re: Web Based Script)
Message-ID:  <4.1.19990408123628.012aec70@mail1.dcomm.net>
In-Reply-To: <199904071840.LAA11203@pcslink.com>
References:  <370B9C55.A7CE4059@eclipse.net.uk>

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After reading the doc on apache.org I see you can use /etc/passwd for
authentication, and I understand the reasons why not to.  How would you go
about doing this under FreeBSD?  The passwords are shadowed into
master.passwd and they also exist in a .db file.  I wouldn't want to raise
the permissions of httpd, and I don't want to open hte shadow file to everyone.




At 11:40 AM 4/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> > Yes but "clever hacker"(TM) can run multiple requests 
>> > in parrallel for either one which basically renders the 
>> > whole delay thing of questionable value.
>> 
>> ahhh - if you are running from inetd then POP is better in that respect
>> as you can limit the number of connections per IP address, 
>
>Good point.  
>
>> in *that* case, then that is something httpd coders might want to think
>> about (only on unauthenticated or bad attempts to login to a
>> password-protected server). 
>
>Not a bad idea, this would slow down unfreindly robots too...  Maybe
>some kind of threshold where if you see more than N requests/Y time
>you start inserting gradually increasing delays until the requests/Y
>fall below N (sort of like the thttpd traffic shaping, but more dynamic).
>This could really help a lot of services like that...  Some sort of 
>persistent pop daemon (not qpopper :) that understood connection limiting
>could help the "connect every minute" weenies, does cuici (sp?) pop do
>that?
>
>> still not ideal, because "clever hacker"
>> could be changing the source to any of <insert number of hardware
>> virtual servers on some machine "clever hacker" has owned> IP addresses,
>> but it does make it a bit more tricky for them.
>
>Yeah, I've always believed in "good enough" security, you make your
>stuff hard enough to get into that they go bother someone else (of
>course the bar keeps getting raised).
>
>> as you say, if Joe Luser knew what an ssl client cert was ... :)
>
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