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Date:      Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:56:35 -0700
From:      Tim O'Neil <bwana@flashcom.net>
To:        freebsd-small@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: PicoBSD build request
Message-ID:  <4.3.2.7.2.20000907094231.00e09ab0@mail.flashcom.net>
In-Reply-To: <200009071418.QAA28992@info.iet.unipi.it>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20000907070627.00b18270@mail.flashcom.net>

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At 07:18 AM 9/7/00, Luigi wrote:
>i am not saying he does not have a point (but what are your motivations for
>going with ipfilter instead ?)
>
>because it was easier for me to understand how to integrate dummynet
>with it. It's one of those initial choices that one never finds
>the energy/time to reconsider.
>
>I still think that the gap between ipfw and ipfilter is reducing.
>We have stateful inspection now, and the other features (natd, what
>else ?) are not that important to me, plus i am working on them (i
>even had some in-kernel NAT working on ipfw back in march, lost
>the code after a physical disk crash).

Your absolutely right, ipfw IS easier to use. But that ease
loses you functionality that in my case I found I absolutely
had to have with IPF. And after I started using ipf I found
it really isn't that bad. I can also sympathize when you mention
"learning curve". But there are some things you simply have to
knuckle down and do. At least in my case being able to build
and admin a better than decent fire wall was one of those things.

To answer your first question; "motivations", the deal was this:
I have an ISP that is using fishy routers (either dhcp assigned ips,
or something, its been a while) to serve my segment of their network.
I couldn't get ipfw to work at all, it would write a cryptic message
to the syslog, something about the ip subsystem couldn't "write the
packet back." In searching through old BSD mail list archives I came
across a little more detail, and that there would be no work around,
other than asking my ISP to change their router policy. So I
looked into fw alternatives and discovered ipf worked like a charm
right out of the box.


-Tim



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