Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:12:54 -0600 From: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> To: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Jeff Palmer <scorpio@drkshdw.org>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip Message-ID: <15551.28438.662471.593081@caddis.yogotech.com> In-Reply-To: <20020418180846.F23267@rain.macguire.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020417230144.032ad390@nospam.lariat.org> <200204171923.g3HJNga58899@freefall.freebsd.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020418095356.024354c0@nospam.lariat.org> <012901c1e725$da237e90$0286a8c0@jeffrey> <20020418154338.D23267@rain.macguire.net> <15551.27877.743534.149538@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020418180846.F23267@rain.macguire.net>
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> > > FreeBSD currently does not enable easy maintainance between critical release > > > points for large server environments. Using cvsup to maintain source builds > > > for environments like these ( say 400 servers or more ) is not only > > > unacceptable without an on staff developer and release engineer, it is > > > infeasible. > > > > > > For those of you who would be quick to note that "Corporations with > > > 400 servers should be able to afford a developer and release engineer" > > > please note that 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers can be > > > maintained by a small team of administrators, and do not require these > > > extra resources. > > > > So, for 400 NT, Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX servers you allow a small team, > > and for FreeBSD you don't even allow a single engineer? Seems kind of a > > double standard. > > > > And as a long-time administrator, I disagree that FreeBSD is more > > difficult to maintain releases across systems. I've done Ultrix, SunOS, > > Solaris, FreeBSD, and (ack!) Linux, and I find that FreeBSD is second to > > Solaris, but barely so. > > > > However, Solaris doesn't even provide anything remotely close to what > > Brett is asking, and they're getting paid alot for the OS than FreeBSD > > is getting paid. > > > > Nate > > I think you misunderstood. I meant you don't need release engineers for > any of the above, only FreeBSD. FreeBSD might be great, but it doesn't admin > itself yet. ;) Consider 4 sysadmins, and 2 release engineers for FreeBSD, as > opposed to just 4 sysadmins for NT / Solaris / AIX / HP-UX. Call it what you like, but I consider preparing/testing a release for our configuration part of the 'sysadmin' job. Certainly the IS staff at my company does hardware/software verification as part of their job, on *all* platforms (including Win98/NT/Win2K/WinME/XP, along with all of the *nix variants). If it makes you feel better, use the title 'release engineer', but the staff of 4 people should be more than adequate to do all of the tasks necessary to support your installations, regardless of whether FreeBSD is used or not. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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