Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:18:22 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net> To: Tony Johnson <gjohnson@gs.verio.net> Cc: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, kris@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interesting problem Message-ID: <20000929001822.A7553@fw.wintelcom.net> In-Reply-To: <FOENIGAJAKGPLNGHHADIEENDDAAA.gjohnson@gs.verio.net>; from gjohnson@gs.verio.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:54:01PM -0500 References: <200009281033.GAA42518@lakes.dignus.com> <FOENIGAJAKGPLNGHHADIEENDDAAA.gjohnson@gs.verio.net>
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* Tony Johnson <gjohnson@gs.verio.net> [000928 17:54] wrote: > I really did not want to reply to this but since some people believe that I > am just see-ing things, then I will set this straight. No we don't Tony, we aren't claiming any stability in -current, I'm sure people will remeber your initial bug report and eventually work out a fix. Unfortunatly for you they may also remeber how you continued to hammer on this issue while completely deluding yourself. > > I have a dual PPro-200 systems. aha-3950u2 scsi card. Teflon cables from > scsi-cables.com. Segate cheetah 4.5gig drive that runs FreeBSD5.0-Current > since it came out. > > I have been running FreeBSD for years... I ran 3.0 and 4.0 when they were > /current and I never had these problems. You were obviously luckier than I was at times. > I cannot even get the thing > (5.0-Current in recent days) to boot from boot floppies that you put on > ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386. If you are producing > an OS that does not boot on /current then say this publicly and not curse me > out for your production of a non functional product. We do, read on. > I'm sure I could > produce a set of non-functioning asm code that just crashes peoples > machines, if your idea of development is this. I don't believe that I need > to write an email list for this. Actually Tony, I'm unsure if you're able to produce _any_ code because so I really can't remeber seeing any code produced by you. You also seriously need to read the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html: 18.2.1.1. What is FreeBSD-CURRENT? FreeBSD-CURRENT is, quite literally, nothing more than a daily snapshot of the working sources for FreeBSD. These include work in progress, experimental changes and transitional mechanisms that may or may not be present in the next official release of the software. While many of us compile almost daily from FreeBSD-CURRENT sources, there are periods of time when the sources are literally un-compilable. These problems are generally resolved as expeditiously as possible, but whether or not FreeBSD-CURRENT sources bring disaster or greatly desired functionality can literally be a matter of which part of any given 24 hour period you grabbed them in! It goes on to say: 18.2.1.3. What is FreeBSD-CURRENT not? 1.A fast-track to getting pre-release bits because you heard there is some cool new feature in there and you want to be the first on your block to have it. 2.A quick way of getting bug fixes. 3.In any way ``officially supported'' by us. We do our best to help people genuinely in one of the 3 ``legitimate'' FreeBSD-CURRENT categories, but we simply do not have the time to provide tech support for it. This is not because we are mean and nasty people who do not like helping people out (we would not even be doing FreeBSD if we were), it is literally because we cannot answer 400 messages a day and actually work on FreeBSD! I am sure that, if given the choice between having us answer lots of questions or continuing to improve FreeBSD, most of you would vote for us improving it. Can you imagine that! Yup, you were warned, you were told, the only thing we couldn't do (unfortunatly) is fly someone over to fwap you with a rolled up newspaper when you initially thought of running -current. I think all three points are reason enough for you to stop using -current. > I have a better idea, how about an option on the install to save buffer > cache to a floppy disk , or atleast the portion that caused the automatic > reboot??? Gdb anyone? Sure, send patches, follow my previous advice or simply piss off. jeez, -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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