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Date:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:45:38 +0100
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it>
Cc:        Josef Karthauser <joe@tao.org.uk>, Ian Dowse <iedowse@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c
Message-ID:  <20010312104538.B45619@daemon.ninth-circle.org>
In-Reply-To: <200103112315.AAA79776@info.iet.unipi.it>; from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:15:34AM %2B0100
References:  <20010311223234.D1541@tao.org.uk> <200103112315.AAA79776@info.iet.unipi.it>

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-On [20010312 00:30], Luigi Rizzo (luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) wrote:
>> It's been in since last October.  I guess that noone's using dummynet in
>> -current at the moment.
>
>it is just another example that for some things the "commit to -current
>first, wait at least 3 days before MFC" is totally useless and if
>we want to have these things tested we need to commit them where
>they are used.

No, it is not useless.  It used to work perfectly.

However we are now in a phase, as with 3-STABLE and 4-CURRENT, that we
have significant changes in the system which impose a rather heavy
burden on the developers to keep both systems working the way it should.

For example, we now have the spls are worthless in CURRENT since they're
no-ops, which means they might get overlooked easily when doing MFC's.
I think someone already made that unfortunate mistake.

Furthermore, although I am happy to see the work on SMPng being done, we
have had, or at least I, weeks in which I was chasing down bugs in the
system itself before I could even start work on the things I wanted to
work on.

Although I am still a bit reluctant to say it, I am starting to see more
and more truth in Matthew Dillon's statement that for anything non-SMPng
related 4-STABLE might be a more worthwhile development system at
present.

And I am sure you all can follow all the lines of thought emerging from
these statements in both the pro and con ways.

-- 
Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai    asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org]
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