Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG> To: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT Message-ID: <XFMail.001219101609.jhb@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219120619.020cbac0@mail.etinc.com>
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On 19-Dec-00 Dennis wrote: > At 11:44 AM 12/19/2000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>In message <5.0.0.25.0.20001219111044.020739e0@mail.etinc.com>, Dennis >>writes: >> > >> >>Device Drivers >> >>-------------- >> >>I donīt like binary only device drivers. The code of an operating >> >>system is more complex than a driver. if a company does not want to >> >>publish the sourcecode, the should go away. >> > >> >You've lost all credibility here. >> >>We have a saying in Denmark, which I'm sure exist in as many forms >>as there are languages in the world: >> >> "A thief belive everybody steals." >> >>Dennis, considering the recorded history of your arguments in our >>mailing list archives, hearing you come out and praise closed source >>drivers for open source OS's rings very very hollow. > > did you even read my comments, you blubbering moron? lol. I said NOTHING > about theft. Zero. I guess you dont read english very well. Umm. Dennis, there's this part of English called "figurative language". It involves things like similes, metaphors, etc. I suggest you go read up on it. Things like poetry, humor, etc. really depend on you understanding how it works. Even elementary school English classses in the U.S. cover such language basics. > I didnt "praise" closed source. I said there is arguable reasoning behind > preferring supported binary drivers that work over incomplete source > drivers. Selecting an OS based solely on this criteria is just plain > stupid. Drivers generally do not require changes unless they are buggy. And > the general public is generally no capable of maintaining a card driver > with intricate knowledge of the controllers, which is no simple task. Drivers can require changes because hardware is buggy and doesn't live up to its specs as well. Also, the driver that comes no your disk is not bug free either. :) I still would trust a driver that comes from the company however as their coders have access to the docco. (At least, one would hope they do.) > We have a saying in the US. "communism failed because its very essence > breeds mediocrity". Your inabiltity to understand a business model that > includes protecting corporate-funded assets, when MOST of the world's > corporations adhere exclusively to such a model, shows how little you know > about business in general. Hmmm. It seems you have gone off on a tangent here to scream and make yourself be heard. > Your stupidity is also is emphasized by the fact that no major manufacturer > has supported drivers for freebsd. Intel wont even help by providing docs. > Bravo. What a WIN for the freebsd community. You've done a tremendous job > marketing your concept. So that's why Intel provides free bound copies of their IA-64 books and PDF's of the other chip manuals, PXE manuals, etc. I guess all those data sheets I've seen Bill Paul pore over while working on his ethernet drivers were just figments of my imagination as well. > Am I a thief because my company provides value added solutions without > source to our enhancements on a freebsd platform? If you are insulted that > other people are using your work without paying for it then it sounds like > you dont fit in very well with the "open source" community Mr. Kamp. Well, since you didn't get Poul's idiom, here's the native US version: "It takes one to know one." His point being that your claim that the original poster had lost all credibility in your judgement is rather hypocritical. I don't think anyone in the BSD camp is upset by people using BSD commercially. We'd all be GPL bigots if we were. :) Really, the world does not hate you, and we are not all evil. > DB -- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.Baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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