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Date:      Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:52:00 -0700
From:      Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
To:        Harlan Stenn <Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com>
Cc:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: contrib-utized am-utils? 
Message-ID:  <199806280452.VAA17306@antipodes.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:57:43 EDT." <23843.898981063@brown.pfcs.com> 

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> > > I've contrib-utized am-utils, which should be a replacement for the current 
> > > amd stuff.
> > > 
> > > The stuff I've done is suitable for both -stable and -current.
> > > 
> > > Anybody have the time/inclination to review and commit?
> > 
> > Have you addressed the stability and configuration issues?
> > 
> > I recall that there were some comments regarding problems that had been
> > experienced with am-utils, and I don't recall hearing whether they were
> > commandline-compatible or whether we are looking at changes to the /etc/
> > files to match...
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> 
> I didn't mess with the "content" of am-utils.
> 
> Folks were complaining that amd is old and buggy, and is missing features 
> that were in am-utils.
> 
> I just contrib-utized the beast, in a way that it will work for both 
> -current and -stable, and future versions of am-utils should just drop-in.

Ok; I understood that bit.

> There was a flurry of email about "ports or contrib", because there was
> general agreement that folks *wanted* to convert from amd to am-utils, and
> all that was needed was for somebody to step up to the plate and do the
> work.  There is a an open bug report (bin/6353, as I recall) on this, too.
> 
> Based on this, I decided to do the work.
> 
> If y'all are now no longer interested in it, that's fine - just let me 
> know, and I won't spend/waste any more of my time or y'all's on things like 
> this.

I'm certain that we're *very* interested; I just recall a couple of
issues being brought up, and wanted to clarify whether they'd been
addressed.

While the effort you've put into contribifying am-utils is appreciated, 
the integration doesn't stop there.  Without asking you what other 
steps you've taken, how can we evaluate your submission?  

eg. Do you have anyone testing am-utils as contribified in a production
environment? (Is the committer going to get flamed for committing 
something that's busted?)  How does configuration change for the new 
tools (if it does)?  Do we have any conversion documentation (if 
required)?  

I'd like to work with you on this, I just need more data.


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