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Date:      Thu, 10 Feb 2011 00:29:57 +0200
From:      Ion-Mihai Tetcu <itetcu@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com>
Cc:        clsung@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: how to bootstrap libtool?
Message-ID:  <20110210002957.12a6cc76@it.buh.tecnik93.com>
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:40:18 -0800
Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
> >> The problem with !=3D is that is is evaluated in a subshell
> >> regardless of whether the results are needed, and it happens while
> >> the Makefile is first being read, before it tries to figure out
> >> which targets need to be processed. =20

Hence this adds a lot of time for each processing, like make index.

> >> This is why setting libnet in
> >> BUILD_DEPENDS isn't being processed until after these commands are
> >> run (or fail to run, as above).
> >=20
> > which is useless information to me.  don't know why, been doing
> > freebsd for 10 years, been a port maintainer for.. ? 4? 5? don't
> > remember.
> >=20
> > still that is useless information, and doesn't make any sense.
> >=20
> > doesn't tell me what,why, how, or when to replace what lines with
> > what alternatives.
> >=20
> > yes, I can hard code it, but I don't really understand what those
> > (inherited lines) actually do.
>=20
> OK.  If you don't understand make, and you aren't willing to look at
> the documentation, then it's hardly surprising that you're having
> problems figuring things out.
>=20
> Engineers solve problems.  Managers create problems.
> Senior management exists to decide *which* problems management ought
> to create.
>=20
> (In this particular case, it seems like you ought to delegate the
> problem to an engineer who has the knowledge to solve it.  If I get
> some free time, I'll see what I can do, otherwise someone else might
> volunteer....)

I hope the one that committed the last Makefile version (CC'ed) will
have the time to help.

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