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Date:      Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:37:24 -0500 (EST)
From:      Robert Watson <robert@cyrus.watson.org>
To:        Tom <tom@uniserve.com>
Cc:        Richard Stanaford <richard@cube3.erinet.com>, "Randy A. Katz" <randyk@ccsales.com>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Password Characters Not Required???
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980319183112.12515B-100000@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980319151824.21872A-100000@shell.uniserve.com>

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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Tom wrote:

> > >   Indeed it is normal.  FreeBSD takes only the first 8 significant
> > > characters and then truncates the rest.  This is not FreeBSD specific. 
> > > BSDI is the same way, along with Solaris and other flavors of Unix, I
> > > believe.   
> > 
> > However, BSD/OS allows you to modify the max password length for
> > userclasses, up to 128 characters I think?  Similarly, the password
> 
>   This is for user entry purposes.  FreeBSD has it to.  It has nothing to
> do with how many password characters might be significant.

Actually, I believe it does actually reflect significant characters.  On a
BSD/OS 3.1 machine, we have the max password length turned way up, and
shorter passwords (but above 16 char, say) just don't cut it.  These
really are significant characters :).

>From BSD/OS login.conf(0):

     widepasswords      bool         false     Use the new wide password
                                               format when using the
                                               passwd(1) utility.  The
                                               wide password format al-
                                               lows up to 128 signifi-
                                               cant characters in the
                                               password.

Sounds fun to me.  Definitely not good in a mixed-OS passwd environment,
but good for plain BSD machines. :)

> > behavior here is a function of the crypt() used -- with Kerberos, you get
> > whatever the Kerberos behavior is -- it certainly has more significant
> > characters, however.  I would personally like to see change in behavior
> > here, perhaps as a login.conf option similar to BSD/OS.  I don't see one
> > in the -stable login.conf man page, however.
> 
>   md5 also has more significant characters (16 I believe).  In many ways,
> the "secure" (DES) distribution is actually less secure than the default
> md5.

Yes, it is 16 characters.

  Robert N Watson 

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