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Date:      Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:12:36 -0500
From:      David Sze <dsze@distrust.net>
To:        Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process
Message-ID:  <20050714201236.GA15856@mail.distrust.net>
In-Reply-To: <20050714195253.GA23666@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net>
References:  <42D6B117.5080302@plab.ku.dk> <20050714191449.A8A615D07@ptavv.es.net> <20050714195253.GA23666@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net>

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On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:52:53PM +0200, Matthias Buelow wrote:
> Kevin Oberman wrote:
> 
> >The problem is that disks lie about whether they have actually written
> >data. If the power goes off before the data is in cache, it's lost.
> 
> No, the problem is that FreeBSD doesn't implement request barriers
> and that softupdates is flawed by design and seemingly could not
> make use of them, even if they were available (because, as I
> understand it, it relies on a total ordering of all writes, unlike
> the partial ordering necessary for a journalled fs).
> 
> Until a journalled fs that uses write request barriers is available
> for FreeBSD, you better had a reliable UPS.

How do OS-level request barriers help if the disk reorders pending
writes in its cache?




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