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Date:      Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:08:30 -0700
From:      "Charles Burns" <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   RE: reliable HDD brand (LONG) 
Message-ID:  <F863ZtORDcsXPLwvrzn0000acf4@hotmail.com>

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Oops, I keep making global replies only to one person.


>On Saturday, September 29, Charles Burns wrote:
>SCSI isn't more reliable simply because it is SCSI, SCSI is (in general)
>more reliable because SCSI hard drives are used in servers, and system
>builders pay a premium for the drives. The drives, in general, are
>manufactured with much stricter quality standards. High end SCSI
>hard drives
>are server class components, whereas high end IDE drives are still
>consumer-grade.
>
>Notice that the Seagate Cheetah X15 (a 15,000 RPM drive that
>operates at a
>high temperature, mind you) has a 5 yr warranty, whereas you will
>not find
>an IDE drive with more than a 3 year warranty (at least I haven't)
>
>Here are some quick specs that I dug up... Far from
>comprehensive, but with
>some good info (look at www.seagate.com and www.ibm.com for more specs):
>
>DeskStar 75GXP (IDE):
>Start/Stops ... 40,000
>Non-recoverable errors ... 1 in 10e13
>
>IBM 36GB Ultrastar 36LZX (SCSI)
>Start/Stops ... 50,000
>Non-recoverable errors ... 1 in 10e14
>
>Seagate Cheetah X15 36LP (SCSI)
>Start/Stops ... ? (didn't say)
>Non-recoverable errors ... 1 in 10e15 (100 times less than IDE drive)
>
>
>
>I had an old Seagate Elite 47GB full-height 5.25" (very heavy,
>slow) drive
>whos docs say that the drive REQUIRES active cooling...It gets
>hot. It has
>been in a cramped desktop server with no active cooling for over
>3 years and
>has survived a motherboard being fried (no idea how that happened), 2 CPU
>changes, and has been at times used for web serving, FTP serving,
>and used
>as a SAMBA MP3 server for 1.5 years. I gave it to my roommates
>when I left
>Phoenix, AZ, and it is still working fine. (It was even purchased
>used, it
>was in an old PPro 180 Windows NT file server--without active cooling). I
>have some IDE drives that have lasted as long, but not at SCSI-hard drive
>heat levels.
>
>If it makes any difference, SCSI is also an older and more mature
>technology, and has traditionally been far in advance of IDE for
>reliability
>features such as parity, ECC, and packet-based data transfers.
>(At least I
>think that the newer SCSI devices used packet-based transfers, similar to
>TCP, but I don't know that one for sure)
>
> >Why is SCSI more reliable than, say IDE, when SCSI dictates the host
> >interface? Is the actual data encoding on the platter any more
>reliable? Is
> >the drive spindle motor or head servo any more reliable?
>
>Yes. You get what you pay for. (And you really pay quite a bit with SCSI
>drives)
>
> >I use to run SCSI
> >exclusively, but I had so much trouble, specially when the
>Ultra-Wide stuff
> >came out that I switched to IDE. Other then one problem with the
>IBM 75GXP
> >45G, IDE was been more reliable for me than SCSI.
> >
> >I agree they are not as fast as IDE.
>
>You mean IDE is not as fast as SCSI? Probably a typo, just wanted to
>confirm.
>
>SCSI has some other nice features, like how there can be multiple devices
>per channel and how they can all be accessed at once, and SCSI
>RAID arrays
>are automatically capable of being faster just because of the
>fact that the
>interface supports higher bandwidth--320MB/sec max (theoretical) VS IDE's
>current max of 133MB/sec (which no RAID cards yet support anyway)
>
>SCSI will probably eventually die off... Its market share has
>been eroding
>and less devices are available than once were. (Try finding a new
>SCSI Zip
>drive, for example, or a new SCSI Plextor CD burner... :(
>
>Not that I don't like IDE. The drives are dirt cheap and fast enough for
>most consumer systems. I say SCSI for servers and expensive
>workstations and
>IDE for everything else.
>
>
>Just my $0.01
>
>Charles Burns


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