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Date:      Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:29:43 +0100
From:      Alex Zbyslaw <xfb52@dial.pipex.com>
To:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
Cc:        "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: I like Ubuntu
Message-ID:  <46234207.5040601@dial.pipex.com>
In-Reply-To: <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no>
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Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote:

>doug@safeport.com writes:
> =20
>
>>First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
>>Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
>>switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
>>depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
>>bit of a challenge.
>>   =20
>>
>
>My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
>installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
>'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
>'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
> =20
>
How does apt-get compare to something like yum/up2date on FC/RHEL?  I.e. =

is there something that makes apt-get better?

My main issue with all the RedHat OSes is that you are effectively stuck =

with whatever version of packages was "combined" to make a particular=20
release.  So if the machine you have came with say postfix 2.0, your=20
stuck with that for the lifetime of the OS.  If you suddenly have a need =

for 2.2, you can try using src rpms, but somehow they never seem to be=20
available for your particular OS version, and whether the ones for a=20
later OS version compile or not is hit-and-miss.  Sure, it's dead easy=20
to yum update say postfix 2.0 to postfix 2.0+some security fix, but=20
that's just not enough for me.

I resent having to upgrade the OS to get up-to-date packages that have=20
no specific relationship to anything I understand as the OS.  That's=20
especially a problem for ISP-rented servers, where upgrading the OS is a =

matter of having to get a new server, or taking your life in your hands=20
and trying a "yum" update of the OS.  But even for a "desktop", it's=20
just far more work than I believe should be required.

FreeBSD ports/packages are not perfect, but at least I can update=20
third-party software without upgrading the OS.

--Alex




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