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Date:      Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:44:36 -0800
From:      Jon Rust <jpr@vcnet.com>
To:        "Scot W. Hetzel" <hetzels@westbend.net>
Cc:        <ports@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Why no apache-fp-ssl-php?
Message-ID:  <p043101beb4f57af6c8e3@[209.239.239.22]>
In-Reply-To: <01f001bf8e3c$f80ac2e0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net>
References:  <p043101b6b4f48431bf82@[209.239.239.22]> <01f001bf8e3c$f80ac2e0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net>

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At 11:11 PM -0600 3/14/00, Scot W. Hetzel wrote:

>Because creating all these apache13-a-b-c-..-x-y-z ports creates bloat in
>the ports collection and makes it harder to maintain the individual
>apache13-* ports (Besides the same changes needs to be made to each port
>when upgrading).
>
>Also, having all these Apache13-* ports confuses our users, because they
>have to decide if they are going to install the Apache13 port or one of the
>Apache13-* ports.  And then when they want to upgrade their server to use
>mod_ssl, mod_frontpage, mod_x, mod_z  they get discouraged because we only
>support a couple of modules in each of our Apache13-* ports.  Having
>individual Apache Module ports allows them to add functionality to their
>server as they need it.

I can see your point, but in the current state of affairs, creating 
(for example) a working apache-fp-php-ssl build is EXTREMELY tough 
for non-programmers (and I'd argue tough even for adept programmers). 
So having many options may be confusing, but it's a lot better than 
not having the option at all. Right now, I need apache-fp-php-ssl. 
With the current port tree, I've got almost no chance of making it 
happen give I'm no C programmer (though I'm considering hiring one 
just to maintain apache builds).

>Another concern is with port maintainers that do create Apache module ports,
>they have to decide on which apache13-* port to support, since no two
>apache13-* port installs their files in the same location and with the same
>names ( httpd/apache for the server daemon, httpd.conf/apache.conf config
>files,  different locations for the DocumentRoot, proxy cache directory,
>etc...).

That sounds great.

>Mathew Dodd and myself have created a Modular Apache.  I just got done
>tweaking it to work with FrontPage.
>
>It is available from:
>
>http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/mod_apache.tgz

    Not Found

    The requested URL /~hetzels/mod_apache.tgz was not found on this server.


    Apache/1.3.9 Server at www.westbend.net Port 80

:-( No go.

>There are currently, 4 ports;
>
>     Apache13
>     mod_ssl
>     mod_frontpage
>     mod_php4
>
>Try them out, and let me know if they work for you.
>
>NOTE: Just untar them to a separate directory as they don't require being
>placed under the ports collection in order to find their dependencies on the
>Apache13 port.

I'll give it a shot. It sounds very promising.

Thanks for your reply.

jon


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