Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:12:48 -0400 From: Jim Ohlstein <jim@ohlste.in> To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, freebsd-stable stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux Message-ID: <532EDDD0.80700@ohlste.in> In-Reply-To: <m2iorb1ms8.wl%randy@psg.com> References: <m2iorb1ms8.wl%randy@psg.com>
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Hello, On 3/18/14, 12:42 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > /usr/ports# svn up > Updating '.': > Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org:443': > - The certificate has an unknown error. > Certificate information: > - Hostname: svnmir.ysv.FreeBSD.org > - Valid: from Jul 29 22:01:21 2013 GMT until Dec 13 22:01:21 2040 GMT > - Issuer: clusteradm, FreeBSD.org, CA, US(clusteradm@FreeBSD.org) > - Fingerprint: 1C:BD:85:95:11:9F:EB:75:A5:4B:C8:A3:FE:08:E4:02:73:06:1E:61 > (R)eject or accept (t)emporarily? t > Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org:443': > - The certificate has an unknown error. > Certificate information: > - Hostname: svnmir.ysv.FreeBSD.org > - Valid: from Jul 29 22:01:21 2013 GMT until Dec 13 22:01:21 2040 GMT > - Issuer: clusteradm, FreeBSD.org, CA, US(clusteradm@FreeBSD.org) > - Fingerprint: 1C:BD:85:95:11:9F:EB:75:A5:4B:C8:A3:FE:08:E4:02:73:06:1E:61 > (R)eject or accept (t)emporarily? t > Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org:443': > - The certificate has an unknown error. > Certificate information: > - Hostname: svnmir.ysv.FreeBSD.org > - Valid: from Jul 29 22:01:21 2013 GMT until Dec 13 22:01:21 2040 GMT > - Issuer: clusteradm, FreeBSD.org, CA, US(clusteradm@FreeBSD.org) > - Fingerprint: 1C:BD:85:95:11:9F:EB:75:A5:4B:C8:A3:FE:08:E4:02:73:06:1E:61 > (R)eject or accept (t)emporarily? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Now be honest Randy, and tell us why you started this thread. Most people who leave a place/program/religion/whatever do so without trying to set it on fire. So was this a last parting shot? Or were you trying to get people to say "Please, Randy, don't leave us"? I suspect it was mostly being trollish, and you've succeeded in getting people to respond. Congratulations! Well done. I have a lot of complaints about the current state of FreeBSD. It's like the joke about the American justice system - it's the worst thing out there - except for everything else. FreeBSD 10's roll out involved big changes. Not all have been handled well (ok, that's an understatement). The libiconv issue is one, and that's still being discussed ad nauseam on the ports mailing list since it was partially reverted. Rebuilding KDE-4 seems broken beyond repair. And now, if you're tracking "10-STABLE" you know that clang 3.4 has just been merged in and it hasn't all been pretty. Removing BIND was another disaster, and also in retrospect based on assumptions and lack of information that was available right on ISC's website. The switch to pkg(8) has been a mess, to say the least. As has been mentioned rather bluntly by someone, we keep being told "new things" are coming and current behavior isn't guaranteed not to change. What kind of crap is that? The ports system in general needs a lot of work. The new pkg tools may eventually be the answer, and I do suspect they are, but they surely are not ready for prime time. Deprecating the pkg_ tools for a still in development and "subject to change at any time" tool seems short sighted, at least in retrospect. I think it's time for some actual freezes on "new" features in STABLE (maybe CURRENT too), get things working again (last I checked there were over 1500 active ports related PR's alone). All of the devs should be focused on fixing the broken stuff that affects people now. JMMHO of course. -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain
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