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Date:      Sun, 27 May 2001 23:29:09 -0700
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Greg Lehey" <grog@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "Bill Moran" <wmoran@iowna.com>, "a brody" <abrody@smart.net>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   RE: Where is Mac OS X in your ports page?
Message-ID:  <000401c0e73f$80ec4e60$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010528110545.T29739@wantadilla.lemis.com>

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org]
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:36 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Bill Moran; a brody; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
>Subject: Re: Where is Mac OS X in your ports page?
>
>
>
>I don't think this is hypocrisy, it's lack of motivation.  You say it
>should be mentioned somewhere, but not where.  Find a good place to
>mention it, do the mentioning, and we'll see that it gets there.
>

AAIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK - I'll give you a link!!!

Time:  June 1999

Place:  NetBSD Press Releases

Current location of release:

http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/press/19990607a.html

QUOTED SOURCE:

  J O R D A N  H U B B A R D ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Sound Bites:

"We're very pleased to have Apple's participation in the BSD community,"
said Jordan Hubbard, chairman of the USENIX convention's Freenix track and
co-founder of the FreeBSD Project. "As more smart businesses discover the
incredible free resource that is BSD software, they'll realize that
contributing to open source development is in their best interest."

"Leveraging the twenty-year BSD heritage allows Apple developers to
concentrate on adding a unique user experience to the solid, robust
foundation of the BSD code," according to Avie Tevanian, Apple Computer's
senior vice president of Software Engineering. "We believe that by embracing
the open source movement with our Darwin software, the result will be better
products for millions of Mac customers worldwide. The BSD code in Darwin is
an essential part of our operating system strategy."

Location this ought to go on http://www.freebsd.org

http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html

in the Press Releases.  Now, who was asleep at _that_ switch?!?!?!?!?!
Our own President puts out a press release and gets mentioned on
NetBSD's site but not FreeBSD's site?!?!?!?!  Good Lord - that
release is linked on Apple's site!!  Explain that one!!!!!!


And, if that's not bad enough, let me give you this link:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/faq.html

And some sound bites from it:

"The BSD community has been extremely supportive of Apple since we first
approached NetBSD, FreeBSD, and others about doing a better job of sharing
code. That happened even before we announced Darwin."

"We should note, however, that apart from a few architectural differences
(such as our use of the Mach kernel), we try to keep Darwin as compatible as
possible with FreeBSD (our BSD reference platform)"

"We already synchronize our code periodically with NetBSD for most of our
user commands, and we will soon be doing the same with FreeBSD for our
libraries."

And is this mentioned anywhere on http://www.freebsd.org?!?!  They call us
their reference platform!!  AIEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Ted Mittelstaedt                      tedm@toybox.placo.com
Author of:          The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:         http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com


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