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Date:      Sat, 7 Jul 2001 06:31:21 +1000
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        "Thomas M. Sommers" <tms2@mail.ptd.net>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   GNU/FreeBSD (was: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning?)
Message-ID:  <20010707063121.E1368@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3B412280.ED210541@mail.ptd.net>; from tms2@mail.ptd.net on Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:40:16PM -0400
References:  <20010630174743.A85268@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010630173455.T344@teleport.com> <20010701032900.A93049@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010701132353.W344@teleport.com> <20010702152649.A18127@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010702180222.A2667@hades.hell.gr> <3B412280.ED210541@mail.ptd.net>

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On Monday,  2 July 2001 at 21:40:16 -0400, Thomas M. Sommers wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>
>>> So what you are saying, then, is that 'Free Software' in the FSF definition
>>> is not just GPL'ed, but also has the copyright signed over to the FSF so
>>> they can 'insure' that the code will remain forever GPL'ed?  If so, that is
>>> damn scary.
>>
>> Yup.  Thats the idea.  See what Stallman has said for XEmacs
>> [ quote taken from XEmacs site, URL:
>>   http://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html ]
>>
>>         The FSF Point of View
>>
>>         Richard Stallman writes:
>>
>>         XEmacs is GNU software because it's a modified version of a
>>         GNU program. And it is GNU software because the FSF is the
>>         copyright holder for most of it, and therefore the legal
>>         responsibility for protecting its free status falls on us
>>         whether we want it or not. This is why the term "GNU XEmacs"
>>         is legitimate.
>>
>
> There seems to be a hidden clause in the GPL, that requires anyone who
> incorporates any GNU code in their program, or uses any GNU code to
> build their program, or ships any GNU code with their program, to call
> their program "GNU <something or other>".  How long before Stallman
> starts talking about "GNU FreeBSD"?

He's done that.  But he was talking about a BSD which would have
almost only GNU userland.  People keep talking about a Debian
GNU/FreeBSD, for example.

Greg
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