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Date:      Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:45:37 -0500
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ZFS cautions (pool flag additions committed)
Message-ID:  <532F2BD1.4080606@denninger.net>
In-Reply-To: <532F2B1B.5090702@egr.msu.edu>
References:  <532F1ED8.8010004@denninger.net> <532F2B1B.5090702@egr.msu.edu>

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On 3/23/2014 1:42 PM, Adam McDougall wrote:
> On 03/23/2014 13:50, Karl Denninger wrote:
>> When ZFS code imports are brought forward that add feature flags there=

>> is a potential time bomb for existing users in that creation of a new
>> pool becomes non-revertible (except read-only!) with regard to mountin=
g
>> on older revisions of the code.
>>
>> The same thing happens if you do a "zpool upgrade" of course, but at
>> least that's an explicit act.  You might not realize that you're at ri=
sk
>> on a pool create, however, unless you **carefully** scrutinize the fla=
gs
>> that were on the last version compared against the current one.
>>
>> The primary "gotcha" here occurs if you don't upgrade your emergency
>> boot media and for some reason you need to boot from a CD or USB key -=
-
>> you can be left SEVERELY screwed, and since -RELEASE is typically not
>> rebuilt when this happens if you don't have a second machine laying
>> around on which you can build a RELEASE image....
>>
>> I've caught this twice now since 10.0-RELEASE shipped and, while I
>> haven't been bit by it, it serves as a caution because eventually
>> someone tracking -STABLE is going to get badly hurt and be left with a=
n
>> unrepairable system.  IMHO there should be some sort of notice on the
>> list when new zpool feature flags show up so you're fairly warned that=

>> building a new emergency boot media copy is required if you intend to
>> track -STABLE on a continuing basis.
>>
> I understand your point, but you can also get snapshot isos built prett=
y
> regulary, so there should be no need to build your own in an emergency:=

>
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/
>
> If weekly is not good enough, you can get daily:
>
> https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/
It just seems to have become a more-frequent thing of late and I thought =

people ought to pay attention to it.

You're definitely going to be unhappy if you wind up with recovery media =

that won't mount your disks!

--=20
-- Karl
karl@denninger.net



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