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Date:      Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:34:58 +0800
From:      Shaun Dwyer <shaun@crystal.com.au>
To:        Lanny Baron <lnb@FreeBSDsystems.com>
Cc:        Soeren Schmidt <sos@spider.deepcore.dk>, Keith Mitchell <kmitch@guru.org>, "randall s. ehren" <randall@ucsb.edu>, freebsd-hardware <freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ATA problems (still)
Message-ID:  <3E2B4432.3080705@crystal.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <1042677925.19537.42.camel@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM>
References:  <200301151238.h0FCcD5e025929@spider.deepcore.dk> <1042677925.19537.42.camel@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM>

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Hi all...

This might be completely un-related...
I have a box with 6 WD 80Gb BB series drives on a 3ware Escalade
raid controller doing raid 5. Every now and then a drives seem
to drop from the array for no reason. Its always a different drive,
on a different port. Mabye the later WD drives have some issues.
Perhaps overly aggressive timing?

--Shaun

Lanny Baron wrote:
> Hi, 
> For what it's worth here is some info we rely on. In Servers, most wd
> hard drives will -not- run and in some cases, not even be seen by
> FreeBSD with our systems.When speaking to Engineers in Oregon, they have
> simply said to stay away from them with Servers. Most Intel Server
> boards are picky with hardware and, when using the correct combination
> of hardware, run flawlessly. 
> 
> Of course, it is not in my right, nor am I suggesting that anyone not
> use Western Digital. But, I did test it out some time ago and lo and
> behold, it was true.
> Below is an example from one of our Server Board's tested and passed
> list of hdds (ata and scsi). Note there are no WD drives.
> 
> 
> Manufacturer Model Number Product Family Interface RPM
> 
> IBM* IC35L120AVVA07 Deskstar ATA 7,200 123 1, 2, 3, 4
> Maxtor* 4G160J8 Neptune D540DX ATA 5,400 160 1, 2, 3, 4
> Maxtor MX 6L080J4 Viper D740-6L ATA 7,200 80 1, 2, 3, 4
> Maxtor KU73J01703B Atlas III SCA-320 10,000 73 1, 2, 3, 4
> Maxtor KW18J01E-030Z Atlas III SCA-160 10,000 18 1, 2, 3, 4
> Samsung* SP4004H ATA100 SpinPoint P20 ATA 7,200 40 1, 2, 3, 4
> Seagate* ST318406LC Cheetah 36ES U160 10,000 18 1, 2, 3, 4
> Seagate ST318406LC Cheetah 36ES U160 10,000 18 1, 2, 3, 4
> Seagate ST380021A Barracuda 4 ATA 7,200 80 1, 2, 3, 4
> 
> Regards,
> Lanny
> 
> On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 07:38, Soeren Schmidt wrote:
> 
>>It seems Keith Mitchell wrote:
>>
>>>I just tried swapping one of the seagate drives with the WD ATA6 drive 
>>>so that the WD was aatached to the same motherboard and cable where the 
>>>segate was happily working and the segate was attached to the same 
>>>motherboard and cable where the WD wasn't happily working.
>>>
>>>And the result was the same... the seagte is still happily working and 
>>>the WD drive is crashing the same as it was before.
>>
>>Hmm so the conclusion seems to be that the WD drive has problems, since
>>we know the controller works and other large drives works.
>>I have no idea why it would fail, could be subtle timing I guess ...
>>
>>If I win the lottery I'll buy one and hack at it :)
>>
>>-Søren
>>
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