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Date:      Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:54:22 -0500
From:      Brian Adkins <brian@lojic.com>
To:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Logo merchandise
Message-ID:  <4.1.19990328203952.00a7d3e0@mailbox.iwaynet.net>
In-Reply-To: <19990329012929.XYHZ4957949.mta1-rme@wocker>
References:  <4.1.19990328201237.00a7be10@mailbox.iwaynet.net> <36FEC37B.BBE26454@uswest.net>

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At 01:28 PM 3/29/99 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
>Actually Brian, this was not a discussion about which colour t-shirt I 
>wanted.  It was about presenting a clean-green image when it came to t-
>shirts.  Which *is* advocacy AFAIK.

Dan, if you think 12 separate posts about the bloody color of a t-shirt is
significant in helping the FreeBSD project, then have at it man!  Let me
ask you this, though.  If you were someone evaluating operating systems and
you were lurking in the advocacy list for several of them and most of what
you saw on the FreeBSD list was what you see below, would you get a good
feeling about where the project was heading and what the vision and
priorities were?

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While we're talking about the other promotional goods, how's about some
T-SHirts that are black instead of white? I hate white t-shirts but i'd love
to get a FreeBSD shirt.
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It takes a _lot_ more ink to do a black one, but I agree it's worth it
for the effect. You'll pay $20 instead of $16 to get one? I would too.
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I wouldn't.  $4 more just to have the shirt black?  Dye is cheap.
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<black dye != $4> We'll see. I do want to make black shirts, whatever
the cost.
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Even a white T-Shirt requires dye, otherwise it would be a grayish color.  I
would thing a dime would suffice for the dye, and something for handling,
but $4.00 seems excessive!
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On a green-clean note, why not have unbleached cotton?  It's not white, 
looks good, and doesn't go gray as it gets older <grin>.
---
I would certainly pay extra for a black T-Shirt.  Also lets get more sizes
from XXXL to XXS, I know some rather large people who would want a shirt,
not to mention some people who'd like to have little kids wearing the
shirts.  (It'd be pretty cool if my 5 year old brother could get an XS)
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I don't like white t-shirts, it's hard to keep them looking clean and
new.  I prefer that mottled grey color... (or is that the unbleached
cottom colour?)
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That's unbleached cotton AFAIK.
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Grey?  As in what you often see many sweat pants and sweat shirts?  No, 
not that grey.  I just rang my neighbour, who's a colour expert, to find 
out about this.  Unbleached cotton is more of a cream colour.
---
Fair enough.  But the main reason I mentioned unbleached cotton was 
environmental.
---
The grey I'm talking about commonly found in athletic t-shirts.  Hanes
and Jockey both make them in packs of three.  It's a softer neutral
colour (white can be rather harsh and clash with darker colours.)




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