Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:07:26 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no> To: "John W. DeBoskey" <jwd@unx.sas.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile Message-ID: <19981215020726.V5444@follo.net> In-Reply-To: <199812132313.SAA13630@bb01f39.unx.sas.com>; from John W. DeBoskey on Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 06:13:37PM -0500 References: <199812132313.SAA13630@bb01f39.unx.sas.com>
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If you're writing to me, then please write to me, not to some random other list then the one I originally wrote things on without Cc to me. Thanks. On Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 06:13:37PM -0500, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no> > Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile > > > Eivind said: > > On Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 02:44:23PM +0200, Mark Murray wrote: > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > Better, but not sufficient; it assumes that the user checks 'ls > > > > /etc/*sample' after make world. For such a feature to have any effect, > > > > you have to somehow warn the user about missing files, e.g. by mailing > > > > a list to root. > > > > > > I can see annoyed users turning this off and _still_ complaining. Current > > > is turning into too much of a commodity with not enough emphasis of "thou > > > shalt RTFM and RTSL". > > > > I've been thinking of how to say this with a suitable amount of force. > > One way of doing this could be to stop cvsup access for -current. > > > > Yup - if you want to track -current, you track the cvs repository. If > > you don't need the cvs repository, you're not developing code, and > > thus shouldn't be in -current. > > > > I'm not sure if this is too drastic, but we really should be shooting > > off those people... > > Well, a dose of reality. Every one of you used to be in the position > of some of these "people". No. Many of the developers did _not_ track -current before becoming developers. I know there are several cases of this besides myself. > You didn't know everything. And sometimes, > RTFM just doesn't do the trick, especially when TFM is out-of-date > because you the "developers" changed the code, but not the doc's. It says 'RTSL'. If you can't read the source, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING -current! > Now, with that said... My stupid question: How does one track -current > without cvsup? I can't access the repository via nfs, and I don't have > an account for either pserver or rsh mode... One learn how CVS works, and cvsup the entire repository. This cost about 450MB extra diskspace, but it makes for a much better development environment - and -current is mostly meant as a development environment, and should not be used for ordinary production unless one is very, very much aware that this is something one do to do FreeBSD a service and will cost a lot of sweat, blood and tears. > Now some praise for the the committers who have been working through > the bug database. Thanks! And none for those of us who spend days peering over output of obscure verification tools? :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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