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Date:      Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:52:42 -0500
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: UEFI firmware and getting FreeBSD recognized by default: who to talk to?
Message-ID:  <552a8d6e-73fa-e311-f16d-e56c6c0c2937@denninger.net>
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On 6/23/2019 02:36, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> from Karl Denninger and my previous post:
>
>>> This is scary (Bitlocker), sent me to Wikipedia to look up Bitlocker.=

>>>
>>> Can you turn Bitlocker off after turning it on and get your system ba=
ck?
>> You SHOULD (better have!) kept the recovery key.=C3=82=C2=A0 If you ha=
ve it, you
>> can boot with it.=C3=82=C2=A0 Then turn it off and back on, and it wil=
l generate a
>> new key.
>>> Now I am even more scared to ever get a computer with MS-Windows!=20
Bitlocker is optional and in fact defaults off.
>>> One think on my mind is if I need a new motherboard, would it have th=
e undesired Secure Boot?  I guess I'd have to ask the seller and look on =
the motherboard manufacturer's website (MSI, ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, or o=
ther).=20
>>> I have no Secure Boot now.
>> Probably.=C3=82=C2=A0 But you can shut THAT off (and should) provided =
you wish to
>> dual boot.=C3=82=C2=A0 The exception is ARM-based systems, many of whi=
ch are
>> secure-boot ONLY.=C3=82=C2=A0 For Intel machines I've never run into o=
ne that can't
>> have it turned off (and I'd return it immediately if I found one.)
>>> I am trying to set up UEFI to boot my FreeBSD and NetBSD installation=
s, and later, Linux.
>>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Easy.=C3=82=C2=A0 Refind should do that and allow selection from a men=
u.
> Can one recover after losing the recovery key?  I think I would want to=
 avoid Bitlocker from the outset (malware!).

No.=C2=A0 You can't recover in FreeBSD if you lose the Geli key either.=C2=
=A0
That's the entire point of disk encryption; no key, no data.=C2=A0 End of=

discussion.=C2=A0 Bitlocker has TWO keys (one normal one, which can eithe=
r be
TPM-only if you have one in the machine or TPM + PIN, or, if there is no
TPM, a password) and a recovery key which is a very long set of octal
digit groups.=C2=A0 It will insist you save that recovery key somewhere N=
OT
on the encrypted volume (e.g. to a USB key, to a network drive, printed,
etc) during setup.=C2=A0 It also (stupidly, in my opinion) allows you to =
save
it to your "Microsoft account" which is IMHO exactly identical to giving
it to Microsoft, the NSA, and probably China's Communist Party too.=C2=A0=
 I
recommended against that option, obviously.

Geli has two key slots too, and you can set both, and allows a
"randomization source" (e.g. key file), that plus a password, or just a
password.=C2=A0 But if, in any encrypted disk environment, you lose the k=
eys
for any reason you're screwed -- I hope you have backups! :)=C2=A0 Geli b=
y
default only sets one key; the other has to be set manually.

Oh, Geli also has a "duress" command (I don't know of one for Bitlocker)
that instantly destroys the key blocks on the disk.=C2=A0 If you use that=

then it's bye-bye even WITH the key unless you have backed them up to
some sort of other media (it does save the key blocks off during
initialization so you *can* back them up.)

It would be rather pointless to call a disk "encrypted" if, absent the
authentication means, you could manage to get into it.

> I was thinking about AMD Ryzen if I need to replace motherboard.  I wou=
ld need a new CPU with any new motherboard, Intel or AMD-compatible, woul=
d also need new RAM (DDR4, I now have DDR3), and probaby a new case.
>
> But I would keep and transfer any hard drives that are still good.
>
> Can rEFInd find and boot FreeBSD, NetBSD, Haiku, etc?
Yes.
> I don't see any refind, however partially capitalized, in FreeBSD base =
system or ports, or NetBSD base system or pkgsrc.  I find efibootmgr now =
in FreeBSD, but not NetBSD, base system.
It's not a port or package; the software is not in any way
FreeBSD-specific.
> I would want to label boot options with the partition label (like WD2G1=
8, WD2G19, WD2G20, WD2G21, and others) so I can see on the boot menu.
Refind automatically figures it out -- it "knows" what FreeBSD and
Windows are, for example.
> I also notice it is difficult to choose the root partition when booting=
 UEFI.  I could create a zero-byte or very small file in root directory w=
ith the partition label name, like /WD2G18 on partition WD2G18 just to sh=
ow up with ls.
>
> Tom

That's a function of the actual EFI loader in question for the specific
OS and is beyond the scope of UEFI itself.

In point of fact UEFI BIOS implementations are *supposed* to implement a
reasonable "boot manager" option to select from whatever various UEFI
loaders are installed on the machine.=C2=A0 In actual practice most of th=
em
I've run into on various motherboards bite big ones and either their
alleged "manager" is worthless or nearly so; thus tools like Refind.

--=20
Karl Denninger
karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
/The Market Ticker/
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