Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:38:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Valeri Galtsev" <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: "Polytropon" <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: "Alejandro Imass" <aimass@yabarana.com>, "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [OT] two birds with one stone :) Message-ID: <60546.128.135.52.6.1503689924.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20170825203820.34094965.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <mailman.97.1502798402.43418.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <20170816021959.R12950@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <CAHieY7Sh=NxUpjdpdFOsnOs9C3kdCdsWZydiEQrXqLQcdWq7mg@mail.gmail.com> <20170825203820.34094965.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Fri, August 25, 2017 1:38 pm, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:36 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> I am amazed at how large companies have blindly bought into Amazon AWS and don't even realize how outrageously expensive it becomes when you actually do scale. > > It isn't obvious in regards of management and decision skills, > and it doesn't matter in the _current_ quarter. Additionally, > paying qualified and motivated system operations personnel > (like system administrators or programmers) costs the "wrong" > kind of money. That's why it matters what you spend money on. > Expensive stuff "as a service" - material costs, they send us > an invoice, and we can deduct it from our taxes, or we simply > raise our prices and let the stupid consumer pay the price. > Employees - personnel costs, no no, that just pollutes our > balance and lets us look as if we can't deal with money. And > we are a growth-oriented startup with $500M investment, so > it doesn't really matter... > > That's why paying money for expensive services that do not > scale is "money well spent". :-) > > > >> Orders of magnitude higher than the cost and risk >> of real sysadmins and real hardware. > > But that forces a company to deal with real assets which do > physically exist, and it forces them to recognize their > social responsibilities regarding their workforce. > Well, outsourcing services to external companies is very familiar trend wherever Microsoft brew bunch takes over top IT positions in the organization... > > >> Most applications are being >> developed around RDS, SQS and all the other packaged services that AWS offers, and certified AWS TechOps dudes are becoming evermore stupid Amazon drones.... which is getting these companies in a vendor lock situation that I hadn't seen since the 80's. > > Correct! This creates a new kind of "certified consultants" who > firstly make the big bucks, but then, the price declines until > they become a cheap commodity, but there is no way back. > > > >> It's like Microsoft all >> over again but now using the very same Open Source technology that we helped build all these years. > > But it comes with lots of marketing-speak BS and green traffic > lights, so it must be the only way to go, right? ;-) > This thread chimes in unison with what was implied in one thread on another mail list where someone mentioned mariadb fork and similar... Valeri > > >> Scary stuff when you see how much of the Internet is on AWS.... > > And AWS failures make you actually _realize_ this scary tendency... > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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