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Date:      Mon, 05 Aug 2002 03:59:58 -0700
From:      Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/xscreensaver Makefile  pkg-plistports/x11/xscreensaver/files patch-driver_Makefile.in
Message-ID:  <3D4E5AAE.D818574E@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <200208051014.g75AEeXl044928@freefall.freebsd.org> <3D4E55F8.236A22CE@FreeBSD.org>

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Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> 
> Doug Barton wrote:
> >
> > dougb       2002/08/05 03:14:40 PDT
> >
> >   Modified files:
> >     x11/xscreensaver     Makefile pkg-plist
> >   Removed files:
> >     x11/xscreensaver/files patch-driver_Makefile.in
> >   Log:
> >   Take the unfortunate step of removing gnome support. The gnome team
> >   already has xscreensaver-gnome to work with, and I think they'll
> >   do a great job with it. This is not a rash decision. I've discussed
> >   the issue several times with the gnome team, and suffice it to say
> >   that we have different ideas about how things should look. I've also
> >   sent an e-mail directly to them describing the reasoning for my
> >   decision in more detail.
> 
> There was actually no GNOME support, so please don't whine when the
> port will be broken by removal of bsd.gnome.mk (is is going to be
> removed and replaced with bsd.gnomeng.mk, so that USE_GTK and friends
> will go away).

Thanks for letting me know.

> Also, your rev.1.15 of patch-ab was absolutely
> unjustified, as its sole purpose was to prevent configure script from
> detecting/using gtk-2.0.x/libxml-2.0.x instead of
> gtk-1.0.x/libxml-1.0.x when it is not asked for, which obviously will
> lead to missing dependency when user builds xscreensaver on machine
> with gnome2 installed.

My suspicion is that users with gnome2 installed will want the -gnome
version of the port. If it turns out I'm wrong about that, I'll happily
take another look. However, that revision of patch-ab also gratuitously
twiddled with the gtk settings, which was the main reason I backed it
out. Finally, my understanding is that the xml stuff will be just as
happy with libxml-2, so ideally there shouldn't be any conflict. But, as
I said, if it turns out I'm wrong I have a head start on fixing it. 

> You had 20+ days to review proposed patches,

And as I stated in the two letters I sent to the gnome@ team during that
period, the vast majority of the freebsd-hacking time I had dedicated to
that time period was taken up by the unexpected need to urgently upgrade
BIND in 5 different branches. My feeling was that this was probably a
more important project. 

> but didn't even make an 10-minutes worth effort to understand their
> purpose.

The problem all along here Maxim is that you equate disagreement with
misunderstanding. Now you will not have to deal with either. I think
that this is a win-win.

Doug

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