Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:16:50 +0900 From: Koichiro Iwao <meta@FreeBSD.org> To: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> Cc: FreeBSD Ports <ports@freebsd.org>, ruby@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FLAVORS for Ruby Message-ID: <20190916161650.4ofb2o27tfxif57e@icepick.vmeta.jp> In-Reply-To: <CAP7rwci6jME-Ef%2BOkjKWD7mYdnNhobA-9Va5YKmW_6xzcuNj_w@mail.gmail.com> References: <20190913074519.xfu3avb4ihmfzm2o@icepick.vmeta.jp> <CAALwa8m3NJSckxSyrVTehx3LWxheSJXxUB=iAxr%2B1HG_2WFtfg@mail.gmail.com> <20190913090645.buutinhgh2pygb4h@icepick.vmeta.jp> <CAP7rwcjH6d7AiEL4XeRyQ-evT=dq%2BZi8WDTx-aYhye-zq2DKJw@mail.gmail.com> <20190914042738.r3hedyqtpxsxnd5e@icepick.vmeta.jp> <006FCB74-04EB-4A82-A800-6C7CA273E749@adamw.org> <20190916143929.z6vnzoqjme6vw2ey@icepick.vmeta.jp> <CAP7rwci6jME-Ef%2BOkjKWD7mYdnNhobA-9Va5YKmW_6xzcuNj_w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 08:54:17AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:39 AM Koichiro Iwao <meta@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:52:45AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > > The issue is that FLAVORS has added a substantial (and painful) complexity to python ports and python.mk. It means that a number of people have had to be hyper-vigilant and watch commits closely to catch errors introduced when people utilize the paradigm incorrectly. It’s a bitter pill, but it’s accepted because the use-case for multiple concurrent python versions is essential. > > > > > > As Antoine said, inconsistency isn’t a strong enough use case. Which brings us back to the original question: is there a specific use-case for concurrent ruby that makes the substantial increase in cognitive load, complexity, and monitoring worth it? > > > > PHP also have FLAVORS. What about PHP? Multiple concurrent PHP versions > > is essential? > > We're going in circles here. I've for the third time now that what > we'd need to get on board is a use case, a description of the end-user > problem that we're trying to solve. > > What you've provided (for the fourth time in this thread) is a straw > man argument. What other languages have is irrelevant. We are much > less concerned with "consistency" than with solving end-user problems > in a way that fits the specific use case. > > Steve seemed interested in the idea. I'd explore it with him, and I > hope you are able to make it happen. I'm done here. Thanks. I see a gap between you and me but I'll give it a try anyway with swills. You: If there's no valid reasons, don't do it. Me: If there's no invalid reasons, try it. I believe that the reason Ruby don't have FLAVORS is just nobody worked on that. In fact, swills worked on that a little. BTW, if I can do something only necessary, what a boring life. -- meta <meta@FreeBSD.org>
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