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Date:      Thu, 23 May 1996 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@Glue.umd.edu>
To:        faried nawaz <nawaz921@cs.uidaho.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: editors 
Message-ID:  <Pine.OSF.3.91.960523090109.25388C-100000@thurston.eng.umd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <199605230746.AAA11558@selway.cs.uidaho.edu>

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On Thu, 23 May 1996, faried nawaz wrote:

> Chuck Robey wrote...
> 
>    On Wed, 22 May 1996, Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
>    > May I suggest asking on -questions, or in the news group instead?
>    
>    We're discussing what's to be changed in -current.  This is the correct list
>    for it.  We just have to understand that your favorite editor is not 
>    being discussed.  It's the newbie editor that's under discussion, whether 
>    to not to keep it as ee, or change it out for pico.
> 
> There are far fewer newbies (if any) on -current than on -questions or in
> the newsgroup.  Most people here use vi or emacs or joe, and have done so
> for years.  I agree that this is the correct list to discuss a change in
> -current, but, as I believe Terry meant, it probably isn't the best list
> for soliciting names of newbie editors.

That's because I _wasn't_ soliciting names for alternative editors, I was 
proposing replacing ee with pico.  I _wasn't_ suggesting replacing vi 
with pico.  I was merely suggesting that ee is not automatically 
understandable by newbies, while I've already seen that pico is.

If I ask a newsgroup, I will get chaos (why don't you use Microsft Word, 
for gosh sakes).  I won't do that.

> 
> I have a feeling that if people in -questions or the newsgroup were asked,
> they would probably want pico.
> 
> I've never used `ee' in the install, but if I'm correct, it's used for
> post-install configuration (am I right?).  Why not give the user a choice
> of an editor (from the packages) before it is needed/used for editing
> purposes?
> 
> 
> 
> I personally don't like the idea of a "newbie" editor.  Ever read those
> jokes about Linux "sysadmins" and pico?  I'm not sure I would like to
> hear anything similar about FreeBSD from any quarter.
> 

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