Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:40:00 +0100 From: Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com> To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project Message-ID: <20050504094000.GA1143@uk.tiscali.com> In-Reply-To: <17015.43023.924186.422635@roam.psg.com> References: <6.1.0.6.2.20050426233321.084e9210@cobalt.antimatter.net> <51899.216.177.243.42.1114584317.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <d904a5e7050428062443496e3@mail.gmail.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> <d904a5e705042912342621236b@mail.gmail.com> <20050502195456.GA1226@uk.tiscali.com> <17015.43023.924186.422635@roam.psg.com>
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On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 06:34:23AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > One of the reasons I ditched Linux several years ago was the way Linux > > shifts constantly. A good example is the firewalling code: once upon a > > time there was ipfw. Then that was replaced by ipfwadm. Then that was > > discarded, and replaced by ipchains. Which in turn was discarded and > > replaced by iptables. (Or was that the other way round? I don't follow it > > closely these days) > > yep. another way: this sounds as if you see freebsd as a workhorse > production system as opposed to a hobby where the more of your time > it absorbs the better it is. Yes, that's a fair summary. However, historically there was a big up-front investment in FreeBSD until you get to that point. I think this is much less so nowadays. In particular, the handbook is excellent, and a lot of essential utilities which you had to install as add-ons are now included as standard (e.g. gzip, tar with -z flag) Now the only essential package to install is a POSIX shell with interactive command history - i.e. "bash" - and it looks like /bin/sh has now gained that capability too, although sadly not tab-completion. It's still fair to say that the tools for [install, upgrade, configure] have a number of problems, especially for those new to FreeBSD. Regards, Brian.
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