Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:16:16 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford <heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk> To: "Drew J . Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <20010404181616.S2879@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F7F@mailman.thenap.com>; from drew.weaver@thenap.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 17:19:02 %2B0100 References: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F7F@mailman.thenap.com>
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IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due to the fact it launches every damn service you can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. Jamie On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all > of > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box. > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Chet Hosey > <chosey@nidhog.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > the REJECT list. > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > Bill > > -- > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY> > > <P> <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > here?</FONT></P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly > accessable box.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really > old versions of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either > - CLI, people!)</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet Hosey</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing > it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with certain filter settings to avoid logging > everything and</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > filling the disk?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind...</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > This response kind of bothers me. There was a > time</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I > emailed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > Similarly, when people</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you find a way this works let me know. > I've given up doing this</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up > and put the in</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the REJECT list.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > artists, we're</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > There was a time when if you probed the Apache > on my machine it</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there > _was_ a great deal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > </P> > <BR> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of > the message</FONT> > </P> > > </BODY> > </HTML> -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. 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