Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:20:03 +0300 From: Andriy Gapon <avg@FreeBSD.org> To: Michal Varga <varga.michal@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ports system quality Message-ID: <4E5B83F3.3050506@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1314604521.82067.461.camel@xenon> References: <4E5A48AC.6050201@eskk.nu> <20058.20743.791783.342355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <BLU0-SMTP182102B9C96837517ECB6BB93150@phx.gbl> <20110828172651.GB277@magic.hamla.org> <20110828173059.GT17489@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20110828181356.GD277@magic.hamla.org> <20110828183300.GX17489@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20110828184542.GE277@magic.hamla.org> <20110828152234.54cc9fac@seibercom.net> <20110828193046.GA668@magic.hamla.org> <1314564889.82067.89.camel@xenon> <4E5AB672.4020607@FreeBSD.org> <1314585798.82067.338.camel@xenon> <4E5B0EFB.6000900@FreeBSD.org> <1314596096.82067.419.camel@xenon> <4E5B320E.8010503@FreeBSD.org> <1314601622.82067.441.camel@xenon> <4E5B3CF8.4020805@FreeBSD.org> <1314604521.82067.461.camel@xenon>
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on 29/08/2011 10:55 Michal Varga said the following: > On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 00:17 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> are unlikely to ever get to that point. I would also point out that from >> a project management standpoint developers rarely make good QA people. >> To do this right you really would want separate teams. > > As I said, that's not something that's in my power to change. > > In any case, it just leads (and always will lead) only to this outcome: > >> Those are good alternatives as well. I use FreeBSD as my desktop, but >> it's painful, and I wouldn't do it at all if I didn't need to. > > Other OSes/projects, for some reason, are able to manage their > maintainer base to much better results, and it shows. It can either be > done here too, or the situation can be ignored for another five, ten > years, until FreeBSD fades into obscurity, eventually getting known only > as 'that OS where nothing works'. It's an issue that won't go away on > its own. Correct. So what's your personal contribution towards fixing that issue? E.g. finding out how "other OSes/projects, for some reason, are able to manage their maintainer base to much better results" and teaching that to us would be a great contribution. There are many other ways to contribute as well. -- Andriy Gapon
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