Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:27:14 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford <heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk> To: "Drew J . Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <20010404182714.W2879@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F80@mailman.thenap.com>; from drew.weaver@thenap.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 17:40:49 %2B0100 References: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F80@mailman.thenap.com>
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Compare a default redhat install to a default FreeBSD install, from a newbies perspective. Which one is more secure? FreeBSD. J On 2001.04.04 17:40 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to start > everything, > and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not to start everything > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM > To: Drew J. Weaver > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due > to the fact it launches every damn service you > can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security > holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a > fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. > > FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server > you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. > > Jamie > > On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all > > of > > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable > box. > > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chet Hosey > > <chosey@nidhog.com> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > > the REJECT list. > > > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > > <HTML> > > <HEAD> > > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; > charset=iso-8859-1"> > > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version > 5.5.2650.12"> > > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY> > > > > <P> <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off > > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > > here?</FONT></P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly > > accessable box.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really > > old versions of</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either > > - CLI, people!)</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT > SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet Hosey</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > > <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing > > it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging > > everything and</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > filling the disk?</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > > version of bind...</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > > connection is probably</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > This response kind of bothers me. There was > a > > time</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers > I > > emailed</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > > Similarly, when people</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > > emails.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you find a way this works let me know. > > I've given up doing this</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> because except for the most well known, I've > > received rejects from</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > > root,abuse,</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave > up > > and put the in</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the REJECT list.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > > artists, we're</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache > > on my machine it</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there > > _was_ a great deal</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > > there's little mileage</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > > :)</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > > body of the message</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > </P> > > <BR> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body > of > > the message</FONT> > > </P> > > > > </BODY> > > </HTML> > -- > Jamie Heckford > Chief Network Engineer > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > FreeBSD - The power to serve > > ===================================== > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 > > ===================================== > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to > start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not > to start everything</FONT></P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Jamie Heckford [<A > HREF="mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk</A>]</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep > crashing)</FONT> > </P> > <BR> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the fact it launches every damn service you</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>can think off, most of which are outdated and full of > security </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws > a </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a > server</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>you can trust, without chewing your fingers off.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Jamie</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Just an off topic > note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> equal "difficulty" to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make me</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make here?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly accessable box.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really old versions of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either - CLI, people!)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Chet Hosey</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging everything and</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > filling the disk?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind...</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > This response kind of bothers me. There > was a time</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > when everytime I could sanely trace > spammers I emailed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise > them. Similarly, when people</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > If you find a way this works let me > know. I've given up doing this</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just > gave up and put the in</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > the REJECT list.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Those days responsible people, and not quick > buck artists, we're</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache on my machine it</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there _was_ a great deal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > --</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in > the body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML > 3.2//EN"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <HTML></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <HEAD></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" > CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <META NAME="Generator" > CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named > Keep crashing)</TITLE></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </HEAD></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BODY></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; > <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all of equal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> &quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> here?</FONT></P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, > --- </FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start > with a *nix running on a publicly</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> accessable box.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't > count here, except possibly really</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> old versions of</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH > makes things too easy. No X either</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> - CLI, people!)</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT > SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet > Hosey</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, > Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; On Wed, Apr > 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Davids thus spoke:</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > &gt; Is there any way to trace who is doing</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> it? | &gt; Running tcpdump</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; with > certain filter settings to avoid logging</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> everything and</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > filling the disk?</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > Dont bother... Just install the fixed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> version of bind...</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > Every kid with a script and an internet</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> connection is probably</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > doing this to you!!!</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; This > response kind of bothers me. There was a</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> time</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; when > everytime I could sanely trace spammers I</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> emailed</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Similarly, when people</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> emails.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; If you find a > way this works let me know.&nbsp;</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I've given up doing this</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; because > except for the most well known, I've</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> received rejects from</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; all mail > addresses at the offending provider,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> root,abuse,</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; postmaster, > webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just gave up</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and put the in</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; the REJECT > list.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Those days > responsible people, and not quick buck</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> artists, we're</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; keeping the > 'net running.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > There was a time when if you probed the Apache</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> on my machine it</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> _was_ a great deal</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; of > satisfaction there... Needless to say,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> there's little mileage</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; in > this now (damned M$ service packs!).</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> :)</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I never was > into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; > Bill</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; > --</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Bill > Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv . com</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To > Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; with > &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> body of the message</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send > mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with > &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the body of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the message</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </BODY></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </HTML></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Jamie Heckford</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Chief Network Engineer</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us > How.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>FreeBSD - The power to serve</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>=====================================</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>web: <A > HREF="http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/</A></FONT>; > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 </FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>=====================================</FONT> > </P> > > </BODY> > </HTML> -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. 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