Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:12:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant <jbryant@unix.tfs.net> To: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (Kazutaka YOKOTA) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Forward all spam to UCE@FTC.GOV Message-ID: <199901141812.MAA66211@unix.tfs.net> In-Reply-To: <199901141724.CAA11334@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from Kazutaka YOKOTA at "Jan 15, 99 02:24:26 am"
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In reply: > >> This sort of forwarding facility should be an option; do not make it > >> default! FreeBSD is used not only in US, but also all over the world, > >> you know. I don't think FTC would in any way like to deal with spams > >> outside of US. > >> > >> Kazu > [...] > >i understand your point of view, even though I disagree with it to an > >extent. > > Well, you seem to believe FreeBSD systems exist only in US.... actually i don't... and i agree that it should be an option. something that is already set up, and can be turned on with either a switch or by uncommenting something. > I ran a FreeBSD box in Japan, you know. And I receive spams originate > in Japan, written in Japanese and delivered in Japan. And you want my > sendmail to forward these spams to the FTC? (Not that I love these > spams and would like to keep :-) maybe we can get a list of governmental agencies for forwarding in several countries. i'm sure there are as many pissed-off japanese as there are pissed-off americans. no doubt the japanese government and others will be involved in any treaty negotiations on the issue. > Ok, your goverment will realize the scale of the problem. What about > other goverments in the world? Are we going to forward spams to them > too? well, if our government has set up such a forwarding address, i'm sure many others will set up their own for spam terminating in their countries. and if they don't have one, make them set one up. internet regulation is only a matter of time [long overdue]. let's make our governments aware so that they can regulate intelligently. the united states government is asking for spam terminating here to be forwarded to them for this reason. other governments will follow in like manner in short time. > >also, we need isps to get a bit more responsible. if you identify a > >local high-volume spammer, hire a dump truck, buy a load of manure, > >and dump it on the front yard of the spammer's home/business. call it > >freedom of speech, they do. i was being perfectly and legally serious about that. without the fear of retribution, self-regulation has always failed miserably throughout history. if a spammer has nothing to fear for as a result of his actions, he will continue. if it takes dumping truckloads of manure on spammer's front porches to wake up legislators, let's do it. right now, in the climate of "self-regulation" this falls into the realm of legal possiblity. here in the usa, any injunction against dumping the manure can be fought on a freedom of speech defense. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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