Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:32:11 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, Wesley Shields <wxs@FreeBSD.org>, Ben Kaduk <minimarmot@gmail.com>, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, Nathan Way <nathan@datanode.com> Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... Message-ID: <20080918133211.GL91598@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20080918131840.GA18595@icarus.home.lan> References: <CB36FE28-D125-4C22-B5DE-1001515DD8A6@netconsonance.com> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809061159410.28840@fledge.watson.org> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809162043380.64176@fledge.watson.org> <0C2C7E9B-61E3-4720-B76F-4745A3C963DA@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809180022580.13100@fledge.watson.org> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <20080918124608.GK91598@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20080918131840.GA18595@icarus.home.lan>
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Quoting Jeremy Chadwick, who wrote on Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:18:40AM -0700 .. > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 02:46:09PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Quoting Jo Rhett, who wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:25:27PM -0700 .. > > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Robert Watson wrote: > > > > An important factor is whether or not we consider the release a > > > > highly maintainable release, and while we have intuitions at the > > > > time of release, that's something we can only learn in the first > > > > couple of months after it's in production. I don't know of any COTS > > > > software house that really does it any differently > > > > > > I understand what you mean, but the statement is blatantly false as > > > stated. Anyone selling software to the US Government *must* specify > > > (or meet, depending) a minimum support period, and must also specify a > > > cost the agency can pay to extend the support period. > > > > > > Not relevant to FreeBSD -- just qualifying the statement as it > > > stands. For the obvious comparison, Solaris versions have well- > > > published release and support periods, usually upwards of 8 years. > > > Obviously they have more resources to do this, I'm just pointing out > > > that the statement you made is incorrect as stated. > > > > > > > and I'm not sure you could do it differently -- no one plans to ship > > > > a lemon, but once in a while you discover that things don't go as > > > > planned. > > > > > > > > > I am amazed at the preposterously large elephant in the room that none > > > of you are willing to address. Watching each of you dance around it > > > would be terribly funny if it didn't affect my job so badly. (and if > > > I wasn't going to have to bail on FreeBSD and go to some crap form of > > > Linux because the FreeBSD developers appear to be unwilling to > > > consider the idea of getting more help) > > > > You seem to be *demanding* quite a lot lately. > > Jo has a point, though. I'm certain he's looked at the situation from > the developers' point of view, and in response, I'd recommend others > try to look at it from his, even if others consider it silly or > unreasonable. > > It's a frustrating situation, and there's no snap-your-fingers-voila > solution for it, other than extending support lifetimes per release. Indeed, there is no easy solution. Extending support lifetime takes more resources of course. Wilko
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