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Date:      Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:32:02 -0500 (EST)
From:      Jeff Roberson <jroberson@chesapeake.net>
To:        Kevin Oberman <oberman@es.net>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Xorg 6.8.1 and SCHED_ULE vs. SCHED_4BSD 
Message-ID:  <20050301023025.U50530@mail.chesapeake.net>
In-Reply-To: <20050301002139.2F2E05D07@ptavv.es.net>
References:  <20050301002139.2F2E05D07@ptavv.es.net>

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Kevin Oberman wrote:

> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:36:23 +0100
> > From: Godwin Stewart <gstewart@bonivet.net>
> > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
> >
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> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:49:00 +0100, Michael Nottebrock
> > <michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been using that for a long time now, since Xorg 6.8.1 breaks vt-
> > > switching for me.
> >
> > Well, I decided to bite the bullet and upgraded to Xorg 6.8.1 anyway. It
> > didn't break vt-switching for me, thankfully. Other than the core keyboard
> > driver being "kbd" instead of "Keyboard" now, which threw me off for a
> > couple of minutes, all went well. It seems to be stable enough. Cross
> > fingers, touch wood etc.
> >
> > I also took advantage of the latest cvsup to 5.4-PRE and ensuing recompile
> > to revert to SCHED_4BSD from SCHED_ULE and PREEMPTION in the kernel. The
> > difference is staggering.
> >
> > One of the things I've been doing is to record some of my old cassettes
> > (you know, those old plastic things with 2 holes and a tape inside :) onto
> > CD. Applying a FFT filter to 50 minutes of audio takes between 10 and 15
> > minutes on this machine (P-III/550, 384MB) depending on the complexity of
> > the filter. During this time, with SCHED_ULE and PREEMTION, the machine is
> > unusable. It freezes hard for periods of 10-12 seconds and then when it
> > unfreezes (while doing disk i/o apparently) the keys you typed turn up in
> > the wrong order.

Is the process that does the FFT in kernel, niced, or rtprio'd?  Can you
give me any information on the means by which you transfer data from a
cassette to your pc?

> >
> > However, now that I've reverted to SCHED_4BSD, the machine remains
> > perfectly snappy while performing the FFT filter, which doesn't happen
> > perceptibly slower.
> >
> > It could be that I misread things entirely (wouldn't be the first time),
> > but wasn't SCHED_ULE's purpose to *improve* the responsiveness of the
> > machine when under load? The results I'm getting here are, errmm...
> > slightly different... Old hardware maybe?
>
> This is VERY odd. What you saw with ULE is what I (and most people) saw
> with 4BSD. I got very tired of the short pauses I was getting unde 4BSD
> on my 5-Stable laptop and was very pleased to get back to ULE a few weeks
> ago when I moved it to 6-Current.
>
> I'd say something is very wrong on your systems and I'd ALMOST bet it's
> ata related. Maybe ATA-MkIII would help things out.
> --
> R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
> Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
> Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
> E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634
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