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Date:      Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:50:51 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com>
To:        Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail? 
Message-ID:  <20020829124035.V63118-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>
In-Reply-To: <200208290958.g7T9wa110717@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Dave Hayes wrote:

> >> > What if it's "the psyche of the community" itself which you value?
> >>
> >> Then you are doomed, even without trolls. Psyches change all the
> >> time. You've often heard someone bemoan change, this will be no
> >> different.
> >
> > If I'm doomed, then let me come to that cliff naturally, instead
> > of having some jerk push me.
>
> Now there's something you've said that I can truly respect.

But isn't the jerk just a part of the dance?

> >
> > If the troll is a bully, I will accord his rights the same merit
> > which he gives to others, which is "none".  It is not "bullying"
> > to act in self defense.
>
> It -is- bullying to suppress the expression of unpopular ideas.

But then you state (below):

> > In the limit, all we are talking about is closed vs. open media,
> > for this particular argument.  If you admit the permissability
> > of closed media, then I don't see the problem with the method of
> > closure.
>
> I would have no problem with this as long as we get some OPEN media,
> somewhere...without the voice of every damn social apologist crying
> "censor the morons".

A rather ironic (read: self-contradictory) sentiment, don't you think?


Neal



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