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Date:      Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:29:50 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Hiten Pandya <hitmaster2k@yahoo.com>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: IBM suing (was: RMS Suing was [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD)
Message-ID:  <20011214112950.N3448@monorchid.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3C186EA5.4EA87656@mindspring.com>
References:  <20011212105559.19177.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> <3C17482C.3792DAA9@mindspring.com> <20011213115519.F3448@monorchid.lemis.com> <3C18472F.DD3A90D5@mindspring.com> <20011213165513.D3448@monorchid.lemis.com> <3C186EA5.4EA87656@mindspring.com>

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On Thursday, 13 December 2001 at  1:02:29 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>> I know that things have changed since you were IBM.  I still find it
>> difficult to think that they have changed as much as would be
>> necessary to explain the discrepancy between your viewpoint and my
>> experience.
>
> I left IBM a year ago last September.
>
> When IBM acquired Whistle, they DEMANDED that we remove SQUID, which
> was planned to be in the next release of the software for the next
> generation product, as it infringed 5 IBM patents, and they did not
> want to grant license to use those patents, royalty free, by shipping
> a product with SQUID on it.

For some definition of IBM.

> I think perhaps some of the discrepancy is that you live in a
> country which does not recognize software patents the way the
> U.S. does.

No, I work for the IBM Linux Technology Center.  Our rules are
formulated in the USA.

>>> See also the IBM guidelines for the use of Open Source in IBM
>>> products,
>>
>> Been there, done that.  Your point?
>
> <snip>
>
> My point is that IBM is backing Linux and the GPL purely for
> marketing reasons, not legal or technical reasons.

Of course.  Does that worry you?  IBM is a commercial company.  Nearly
all its decisions are based on marketing input.

>> I don't know the exact wording of the GPL, but I can't see any
>> deviation here.  Yes, the original code is proprietary.  But we are
>> most definitely talking an open source license, even if it's one you
>> don't like.
>
> Big deal.  It's not commercially useful, even interally to IBM,
> for anything other than marketing blather.
>
> For the same reasons, a GPL'ed JFS port to FreeBSD would not be
> commercially useful, except as IBM/Linux marketing blather.

Why not?

> As an overall business philosophy aside: frankly, I don't buy your
> unified view of IBMs motivations; from my personal experience,
> business units competed more than they cooperated, and IBM was
> rarely unified on anything: it's not a single-minded entity.

No company of that size can be completely unified.  My understanding,
though, is that IBM is trying to reduce competition between the
business units, not maintain it.

Greg
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