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Date:      Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:22:30 -0500 (EST)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, kip@eventdriven.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Device permissions with DEVFS 
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1021119152129.98618C-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <25060.1037735737@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> In message <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1021119124035.60013B-100000@fledge.watson.org>, Robe
> rt Watson writes:
> 
> >> > No, the default permissions are specified in the driver source code
> >> > via make_dev().
> >> 
> >> The drivers only get the magic numbers for uids and gids from a central
> >> file.  This is bad enough.  I think all devices should have ownership
> >> root:wheel and mode 0600, but that would increase the problems with
> >> non-persistent attributes.  devfs(8) may be able to handle this now. 
> >
> >I have to say that the ownership issue has been a pet peeve of mine for
> >some time: I would really like the kernel to know about exactly two magic
> >id values: uid 0 (suser uid, default uid, default devfs owner), and gid 0
> >(default gid, default devfs owner).  Hard-coding of other non-0 values in
> >the kernel leads to many potential (and real) problems. 
> 
> I think we should stick to the current slightly "hackish" way, possibly
> with the modification that the security-officer gang gets to rule what
> exact m/o/g devices in the FreeBSD cvs tree should have. 

I'm not suggesting we change to this model at this point, or at any
particular point in the future, it's just a pet peeve that someday I'd
like to address :-).

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects
robert@fledge.watson.org      Network Associates Laboratories


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