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Date:      Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:17:11 -0600
From:      Eric Anderson <anderson@centtech.com>
To:        Ceri Davies <ceri@submonkey.net>, Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>, cokane@cokane.org, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des@des.no>, Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com>, cvs-src@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, Marius Strobl <marius@alchemy.franken.de>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/kbdmux kbdmux.c
Message-ID:  <4405ACE7.6060605@centtech.com>
In-Reply-To: <20060301135551.GY27069@submonkey.net>
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Ceri Davies wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:39:36AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
>   
>> Coleman Kane wrote:
>>     
>>> On 2/28/06, *Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav* <des@des.no <mailto:des@des.no>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    "Maksim Yevmenkin" <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com>> writes:
>>>     > we should make a decision which scancodes keyboard drivers should be
>>>     > returning and change kbdmux(4), syscons(4) etc. to support it.
>>>     >
>>>     > until then, i'm afraid, sun rs232 and powerpc adb keyboard drivers
>>>     > will have to translate their own scancodes into at scancodes (just
>>>     > like ukbd(4) does).
>>>
>>>    Considering that ukbd(4) is the only kbd driver that runs on all
>>>    platforms, it might make sense to have all other drivers translate
>>>    their scancodes to ukbd(4) scancodes and use that in kbdmux(4) and
>>>    syscons(4).
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree,  especially since atkbdc's are rapidly being replaced by USB on 
>>> the platforms they were made for.
>>>       
>> Long term, yes, but what is the risk/benefit of doing this for 6.1?
>>     
>
> If it doesn't work, we look like bloody idiots.  6.2 isn't that far
> away, I'd think that anybody could manage waiting for it a little more
> (especially if it goes into RELENG_6 just after the 6.1 branch).
>
> The above not to be taken as a comment on the change, on which I am not
> informed enough to hold an opinion.
>   

Can we have it all set, built in to GENERIC, but the device hint set to 
disabled?  Lots of systems, Dell PowerEdge and similar, come with a 
remote access card, which uses a USB tie in.  The only way I've found to 
make the console keyboard work after initial install, is to boot single 
user, hack /etc/devd.conf, and reboot, which is really ugly.  Many 
FreeBSD users get stuck with this, so it would be very nice to have a 
quick way to enable the kbdmux at loader time for 6.1, but if it goes in 
right after, I'm not going to cry. :)

Thanks again Maksim for all the work on this!

Eric




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Eric Anderson        Sr. Systems Administrator        Centaur Technology
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