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Date:      Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:10:25 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass)
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer
Message-ID:  <200011291810.LAA19425@usr08.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129104056.0496b420@localhost> from "Brett Glass" at Nov 29, 2000 10:43:29 AM

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> >But I have to say that I'm not at all surprised about the Linux
> >"omission", or the phrasing of the statements about "Caldera
> >OpenLinux" and "Do not install a non-supported operating system".
> >
> >The lawyers have quite a different take: if you want to use GPL
> >code, or any other code with a source distribution requirement,
> >you are required to attend a "handling toxic waste that will
> >destroy your patent rights" class, before you are allowed to even
> >touch it.  You also have to get "cleared" copies of the code from
> >internal IBM servers, so that IBM patents aren't infringed by you
> >using a newer version of the code.
> >
> >There is an 18 page presentation that most of the internal search
> >engines will point you to, when you are going through the exercise
> >of trying to find information internally.  It boils down to "how
> >to double-glove before putting on your biohazard suit to enter a
> >class 5 hot zone containing live Ebola".
> 
> When IBM acquired Whistle, it acquired a product that included,
> and in fact depended upon, GPLed code because FreeBSD does. How 
> did it handle this situation? Is there any chance that IBM might be
> interested in helping to free the BSDs from the GPL?

There is a difference between tools dependencies and product
dependencies.  The InterJet is a closed box, and does not
ship with a ful developement environment.

The way IBM "handled it" was to do due dilligence on all the
code that shipped on the InterJet, and with one procedural
snag, vetted it for shipment.

The actual thing that gave them the most trouble was PHK's
"BeerWare" license, which they finally decided didn't really
constitute an obligation, since they could just decide to
not like the code or find it useful.

One thing they did do was force us to rip out SQUID (GPL),
since they believe that SQUID infringes a number of IBM
patents.  They didn't indicate that they were willing to go
after the SQUID people about this (probably as suicidal as
USL attempting to mung UC Berkeley, from a pure marketing
standpoint), but they were unwilling to ship GPL code which
they believed embodied IBM patents, since they believed that
doing so would grant license to use the patents royalty free.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.


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