Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: "ad5gb" <ad5gb@myway.com> To: bulliver@badcomputer.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux Message-ID: <20050212210702.D92753976@mprdmxin.myway.com>
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Did I miss something here? If so, please forgive the intrusion and waste of bandwidth. But I don't recall David saying that FreeBSD had a superior human interface... anywhere. I tend to agree with David having had to try to build software on my FBSD systems that came from the 'Linux community' (i.e. stuff outside of the ports or packages trees) and some of it has a MS-ish 'feel' in that it's our way or the highway. Much of this stuff seems to have a definite MS look-and-feel and even to the point of MS-like annoyances. I agree with you however that Linux is lovable. Indeed. I am fortunate enough to work for a company who uses it in every one of it's 3300+ stores across the nation. And it does things that MS can only DREAM of doing. What really separates the OS's though is the kernel. Not userland software. In my humble ( and somewhat limited ) opinion.... the BSD kernel has proven to be far more robust and reliable than it's Linux counterpart. I've used FBSD since 2.1.0 and in all but a few occasions, FBSD's TCP/IP and networking performance exceeded any of the Linux distros performance by margins of as little as 5%, to as much as 20% in measurable throughput. ( I used to have a lot of time on my hands so I could fool with such things) >From a personal standpoint, what bugs me MOST about the Linux kernel, is the "thread-is-a-process" notion. It drives me nuts. (I'll make an appointment tomorrow) The latest 5x FBSD kernels have shown significant progress (and advantage over Linux) in multi-threading in my limited testing. Out of the box.... Linux distros might be 'prettier' with more elaborate 'default' menu configurations and such. But IMH(and limited)O the kernels can't compete. But let your own bit/byte counts be your guide. Humbly.... -- Randall D. DuCharme (Radio AD5GB) Powered by FreeBSD! The Power to Serve --- On Sat 02/12, darren kirby < bulliver@badcomputer.org > wrote: From: darren kirby [mailto: bulliver@badcomputer.org] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux quoth the David Kelly:<br><br>> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly<br>> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to<br>> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of<br>> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still<br>> can't think outside of that box.<br><br>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of <br>people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from <br>ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small <br>subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they <br>designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the <br>development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are <br>just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid <br>questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me <br>where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the <br>console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the <br>desktop it is all the same software...<br><br>I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that <br>when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are <br>no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because <br>they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I <br>think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end <br>more people using Linux means more people running free software which <br>benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that <br>just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.<br><br>Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?<br><br>> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working<br>> at creating a better tool to serv e their needs. Much debate about<br>> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of<br>> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by<br>> which BSD's measure.<br>><br>> --<br>> David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net<br>> ========================================================================<br>> Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list<br>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions<br>>; To unsubscribe, send any mail to<br>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"<br><br>-- <br>darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org<br>"...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..."<br>- Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972<br>Attachment: Attachment (0.19KB)<br> _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
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