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Date:      Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:12:29 -0800
From:      Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
To:        Dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
Cc:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: PCI DMA lockups in 3.2 (3.3 maybe?) 
Message-ID:  <199911220712.XAA06555@dingo.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:47:28 EST." <199911220127.UAA28430@etinc.com> 

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>>>>> I'll test this in 3.3 shortly...has anything been done in this area? It
>>>>> seems to happen on passive backplace systems (although its more likely the
>>>>> chipsets used on SBCs)...my acer MB doesnt lock up with the same test. This
>>>>> problem has been duplicated on more than 1 system with completely different
>>>>> hardware.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>Nope.  You haven't given anything like enough information to even guess 
>>>>at the nature of the problem.
>>> 
>>> And what additional info, short of putting a scope on the bus, may I
>>> provide you?
>>
>>Anything that might help locating the nature of the "lockup".  A scope 
>>on the bus would be helpful, sure.  Some idea where in the kernel the 
>>CPU was executing would be good.  The values of cpl and ipending are 
>>always informative.
>>
>>Basically though, you're saying "I have a problem with an old version of
>>freebsd on some sorts of hardware.  Is it fixed?".  There's no possible
>>way for anyone else to answer such a totally vague question.
> 
> Its a late 3.2-STABLE. so its not that old. Surely someone knows if
> something in this area was fixed or not?

Since you haven't actually identified the nature of the problem, how 
can we know whether any changes might have affected it?

> Since its a DMA lockup, how would you suggest that the informatoin about
> what instruction was executing be obtained?

How do you know it's a DMA lockup?  What other information are you 
hiding from us?  Since this seems to be a problem fairly unique to your 
hardware and your particular configurations, it's beholden upon you to 
perform your own exploration.

> The nightmare of instability of  3.x continues whilst the braintrust flogs
> away at 4.x. Its really  a damn shame. And why is 3.x so much slower than
> 2.2.8?  Will 4.0 be slower yet?

This is basically all hyperbole; unsubstantiated, irrational and 
unconstructive.  You know, you'd get much better results if you stuck 
to the facts.

-- 
\\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
\\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
\\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com




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