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Date:      Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:51:16 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Nikolai Lifanov <lifanov@mail.lifanov.com>
Cc:        Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de>
Subject:   Re: Voxer using FreeBSD, BSDNow.tv interview
Message-ID:  <20141020185115.GC20589@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 02:49:31PM -0400, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
> On 10/20/14 14:43, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 02:33:20PM -0400, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
> >> On 10/20/14 13:36, Rainer Duffner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Am 20.10.2014 um 10:19 schrieb David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I presume that most of the relevant differences are for users / deve=
lopers and not sysadmins?  It's worth noting that GNU coreutils, tar, bash,=
 and a load of other things are in the ports repository.  I wonder if it's =
worth having a gnu-userland metaport, perhaps with something like the Solar=
is approach of sticking them all in a different tree so that you can just a=
dd that to the start of your PATH and have all of the GNU tools work by def=
ault. =20
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They use chef.
> >>> The chef omnibus installer assumes there is a /bin/bash. Even the Fre=
eBSD version of it. Well, it least it did the last time I looked. Maybe thi=
s got fixed in the meantime.
> >>> Which means that to =E2=80=9Ebootstrap=E2=80=9C a node, you=E2=80=99v=
e first got to install pkg on it, install bash, symlink it to /bin/bash and=
 then bootstrap the node.
> >>> Which kind of runs against the concept of doing everything via chef.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi from sysutils/ansible maintainer!
> >>
> >> The ansible port REINPLACE_CMDs away hardcoded paths at build time. Th=
is
> >> way managing FreeBSD "just works". Maybe chef can benefit from the same
> >> approach?
> >>
> > USES=3Dshebangfix is there exactly for that.
> >=20
>=20
> I USES=3Dshebangfix, but it only fixes ~40% of path problems (although in
> a very neat and easy to use way). Hardcoded etcdir, module directory,
> man pages, etc. also need to be changed.
>=20
Yes that is the job of the maintainer, so bugging the chef maintainer is the
right thing to do.

Maintaining a port meaning making sure it workds properly the FreeBSD way.

regards,
Bapt

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