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Date:      Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:05:46 +0000
From:      Dominic Marks <dominic_marks@btinternet.com>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>
Cc:        Kip Macy <kmacy@netapp.com>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, Mike Silbersack <silby@silby.com>, Hiten Pandya <hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: In-Kernel HTTP Server (name preference)
Message-ID:  <20020219180546.B12535@host213-123-131-110.in-addr.bto>
In-Reply-To: <20020219180004.GO12136@elvis.mu.org>; from bright@mu.org on Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 10:00:04AM -0800
References:  <20020219092058.A78717@host213-123-131-110.in-addr.bto> <Pine.GSO.4.10.10202190914510.25289-100000@cranford> <20020219175431.A12535@host213-123-131-110.in-addr.bto> <20020219180004.GO12136@elvis.mu.org>

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 10:00:04AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Dominic Marks <dominic_marks@btinternet.com> [020219 09:53] wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 09:19:56AM -0800, Kip Macy wrote:
> > > > Apache will switch to this method at some point. I really can't
> > > > understand why they went with that complicated pre-forking stuff.
> > > > Using non-blockijng I/O is just not that hard."
> > > 
> > > As mentioned previously, due to the blocking semantics of file I/O on unix,
> > > single process servers will only provide peak throughput if everything is
> > > resident. By pre-forking, data can continued to be served if one process blocks
> > > on file I/O. Apache already handles multiple connections within a process, so
> > > it does something like this already.
> > 
> > Yes.. but if your using non-blocking IO for both the disc and network
> > read/writes, this no longer applies. If I understand correctly in
> > normal operation a server like tHttpd simply blocks on kevent() and
> > when a descriptor becomes available for servicing it handles this
> > occurance, or occurances since a single kevent() call can return more
> > than a single event and then goes back to blocking. Reads and writes
> > don't block if they don't complete, you simply get another event when
> > the descriptor becomes available again.
> > 
> > Am I wrong?
> 
> Yes, you are wrong.
> 
> Disk IO can't be done in a non-blocking manner.  If the kernel doesn't
> have the portion of the file you wish to read in the buffer cache
> then the process will block waiting.  There is simply nothing you
> can do about this other than to offload that blocking into another
> process context via kernel threads, posix aio or kses.
>

Thanks for the lesson!

> -- 
> -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org]
> 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology,"
>  start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
> Tax deductible donations for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/

-- 
Dominic

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