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Date:      Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:32:34 -0500
From:      Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>
To:        Andrew Hamilton-Wright <AHamiltonWright@mta.ca>
Cc:        Roland Smith <rsmith@xs4all.nl>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Problems with dump and restore
Message-ID:  <CA%2BtpaK3VQnjyO_8UNKZ1tKU3gCzJXHz5Kq_ix%2B4daby9MhzVOw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Andrew Hamilton-Wright <
AHamiltonWright@mta.ca> wrote:

>
> Sorry, a bit of a follow up after some reading, as the soft-update
> bit was itching in my memory...
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Roland Smith wrote:
>
>  In 2011, a problem was found with snapshots in combination with soft
>> updates *and* journaling (SU+J) hanging the machine. At that time the
>> recommendation was to switch off journaling.
>> According to https://wiki.freebsd.org/NewFAQs:
>>
>>    If you want to use snapshot (dump -L) then disable the soft updates
>>    journal for that filesystem.
>>
>
> I have just realize that the soft update journal (newfs option -j enable)
> is actually not in play here, however "soft updates" (option -U) is.  My
> understanding of the referenced bug:
>         https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=160662
> is that it is specifically referred to _journaled_ soft updates as being
> a danger, but soft updates using -U are not referred to by this bug.
>
> Is that your understanding as well?
>
> I believe that when I set up the filesystems for this machine in the first
> place, I specifically ensured that "-j disable" was chosen, for exactly
> this reason -- however my logbook does not contain enough detail for
> me to be sure.
>
>
> To be clear then, do I understand that your filesystem options include
> neither "-j enable" nor "-U"?


As stated in the bug, only SU+J needs disabling for live dumps.  However,
since the bug doesn't even apply to your situation, this is a red herring.



-- 
Adam



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